word problem
lizmcg
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I would assume that the terms "men" and "women" apply to adults, which they do by definition. Therefore
If "x" is the number of children in the race, then 4x is the number of adults and
4x + x = 2500
5 x = 2500
x= 500 (the number of children in the race) and
4x = 2000 (the number of adults)
and 2000 - 1200 = 800 (the number of women). Right? Seems pretty straightforward and OK for fourth grade.
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If "x" is the number of children in the race, then 4x is the number of adults and
4x + x = 2500
5 x = 2500
x= 500 (the number of children in the race) and
4x = 2000 (the number of adults)
and 2000 - 1200 = 800 (the number of women). Right? Seems pretty straightforward and OK for fourth grade.
Thats intro to algebra / pre-algebra no way average 4th graders is doing that.
lizmcg
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I just expressed it that way for ease of presentation (and to answer the original question). You don't need algebra to do the reasoning.
I have to assume that the kids were taught some method of doing these problems, whether using symbols or by some other method. If they weren't, then of course, it's dumb to give them such problems. However, assuming that (i.e., assuming the teacher is competent and sentient), the reasoning process is certainly within the capabilities of a reasonably intelligent fourth grader.
We vastly under-challenge children in this country. Perhaps this teacher isn't doing that.
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Yeh it does seem alright, though I can't believe I personally was confused by men and women being adults, DUH! *knocks own head*
This was interesting for me, and it brought back my desire for maths, I finished high school a couple of years ago...
Anyone got a good idea for a book or course that is helpful in getting back into the early through to intermediate stages of algebra? All the way through to calculus in the end.
Theres just certain little things I never remembered because I couldn't focus in class, the teacher and students used to overwhelm me. Nowdays I've been learning at insane speeds, so I thought its time I give the maths side a go. Everything I've learnt about science intrigues me, and I simply wanna tackle the equational side of things.
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Let a = the number of adults, m = the number of men, w = the number of women, c = the number of children, and t = the total number of people taking part in the race.
The total number of people taking part in the race, t, is 2500. So t = c + m + w.
The number of adults is 4 times c (4*c), so a = 4c.
1.) Replace the variables with the numbers you already know into the equation t = c + m + w and you get...
2500 = c + 1200 + w
If m + w (or 1200 + w), a, is equal to 4c, then you can also say the opposite, that c is equal to 1/4a (or 1/4(1200 + w)).
2.) Substitute 1/4a in the place of c to get...
2500 = 1/4(1200 + w) + 1200 + w
3.) Use the distributive property of multiplication to get...
2500 = 300 + w/4 + 1200 + w
4.) Subtract to get...
1000 = w/4 + w
5.) Multiply both sides by 4 to get...
4000 = w + 4w
6.) Add to get...
4000 = 5w
7.) Divide to get the number of women who took part in the cross country race.
I did this in my head and got to the same answer. It did not involve that many steps. But, hey, I still got the same answer.
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lizmcg wrote:
"If "x" is the number of children in the race, then 4x is the number of adults and
4x + x = 2500
5 x = 2500
x= 500 (the number of children in the race) and
4x = 2000 (the number of adults)
and 2000 - 1200 = 800 (the number of women). Right? Seems pretty straightforward
and OK for fourth grade."
This is the correct procedure, whether you formally use variables or not. They are, btw teaching 4th graders pre-algebra skills. Heck, they do what they call "Algebra" in Kindergarten! At least here in Florida - it's part of the so-called "Spiral curriculum", that revisits the same topics each year, adding more each time. While i don't totally agree with it, it is challenging the kids. My middleschool boys are learning what I have to "reteach" in my college Intermediate Algebra class, to people my age who never saw it before.
BTW, a good resourse for all levels of Algebra is www.purplemath.com
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The answer to the problem is important but what is more important is for this kid to know how to solve future problems like this when no one is around to tell him the answer.
You couldn't be more correct! I have a tendency to not be able to explain what is going on in my head!
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