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05 May 2014, 11:48 pm

Yep and I just got through screaming at because I hate it when it's whirring up (The computer's fan really going) and acts really really slow :(

This computer has Debian Linux installed for crying out loud and over forty gigabytes of harddisk space as well as one and half gigabytes of RAM, yet this thing has it's moments when it's really slow and unresponsive at times ?

Do I need to install some more RAM into this thing or is Linux no better than Microsoft upper the specs just to run a freaking OS ? Slitaz worked for me until I installed an unofficial package and libraries using the package converting command for the distro and now I got some Pam error (if I could remember correctly) where re-installing the OS doesn't work :/

I'd install something a little lighter on here but they don't have any drivers for my old wireless device. I'm thinking that maybe I could get rid of Gnome completely but is afraid that lighter desktop or window managers would depend on something from Gnome.

Any suggestions and no I do not want to go back to Windows as I like digging around my Linux box and I've heard it's the best tool to learn programming with. Well I suppose anything that isn't proprietary is the best to learn programming with.

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06 May 2014, 12:17 am

Are you able to run any diagnostics to see where the processing power is going? It is also worth while checking for disk or ram faults/errors as a slower than normal computer can be an indication of imminent failure as the computer keeps retrying bad sectors etc.


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06 May 2014, 2:05 am

All hardware comes to its end eventually. Is it possible a piece of yours is giving out?



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06 May 2014, 6:05 am

MrOddBall wrote:
Yep and I just got through screaming at because I hate it when it's whirring up (The computer's fan really going) and acts really really slow :(
So find out what's causing the extra work.
Once it's booted, and before you start anything - try running top and see what's reported.


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06 May 2014, 8:57 am

If it was a Windows machine, I would suspect either malware/virus or a badly fragmented hard drive.

Both would really slow down performance.



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06 May 2014, 9:00 am

I kept having problems with mine, thought perhaps its just getting old, turned out that its the browser regardless if not because of the updates. used a different browser and it started working like a dream.


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06 May 2014, 1:34 pm

^^^^ try clearing out your cache in original browser



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06 May 2014, 1:59 pm

MrOddBall wrote:
Yep and I just got through screaming at because I hate it when it's whirring up (The computer's fan really going) and acts really really slow :(

This computer has Debian Linux installed for crying out loud and over forty gigabytes of harddisk space as well as one and half gigabytes of RAM, yet this thing has it's moments when it's really slow and unresponsive at times ?

Do I need to install some more RAM into this thing or is Linux no better than Microsoft upper the specs just to run a freaking OS ? Slitaz worked for me until I installed an unofficial package and libraries using the package converting command for the distro and now I got some Pam error (if I could remember correctly) where re-installing the OS doesn't work :/

I'd install something a little lighter on here but they don't have any drivers for my old wireless device. I'm thinking that maybe I could get rid of Gnome completely but is afraid that lighter desktop or window managers would depend on something from Gnome.

Any suggestions and no I do not want to go back to Windows as I like digging around my Linux box and I've heard it's the best tool to learn programming with. Well I suppose anything that isn't proprietary is the best to learn programming with.

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1.5 GB of RAM isn't much these days, and keep in mind that Linux uses several partitions. Just because you have 40 GB of vacant space, does not mean that all partitions have plenty of available space.

You may want to install a frontend optimized for slow hardware, since most frontend grow more and more demanding for each update. Upgrading your RAM won't make much of a difference if the GPU or CPU is slow.


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06 May 2014, 6:05 pm

I was hoping that it wasn't being piss poor in performance because of the twenty three bad sectors :( I guess I can't turn away from the truth, I'm going to have to replace my hard-disk drive with another one ...



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06 May 2014, 6:18 pm

MrOddBall wrote:
I was hoping that it wasn't being piss poor in performance because of the twenty three bad sectors :( I guess I can't turn away from the truth, I'm going to have to replace my hard-disk drive with another one ...


When you do this, set it up as follows:

Primary Partition, 40gb, ext4fs This partition holds both / and /usr directories

/home, ext4fs, as large as possible, but leaving enough room to have DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF HARD DRIVE SPACE as you have physical memory. -- If you have 1.5GB ram, setup 3GB space on your HDD as a swap area.

If OTOH you get a machine with 16 or 32GB physical memory, you can kind of get away with not using a swap area.


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06 May 2014, 7:27 pm

Actually, the 2x swap rule is a bit outdated. The rule stems from back when Linux memory manager was significantly less sophisticated.


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06 May 2014, 7:34 pm

I've been using Linux pretty much exclusively since early 2011, and before that, I've used it off and on since Kernel 2.2.10, so perhaps I'm holding on to the 2X physical Memory Swap space as a holdover from that era.


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07 May 2014, 2:24 am

Doesn't Unix platforms designate bad sectors so they aren't used? Wouldn't that "fix" the problem (not addressing whether bad sectors = warning to replace the HDD anyhow)?



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07 May 2014, 5:05 pm

Based on my own experience, Ubuntu does not. Keep in mind that Linux is an imitation of Unix and not a port. If you try FreeBSD (which is an improved port of Unix), you'll see that there are significant differences.


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09 May 2014, 7:14 am

On modern drives (up to ten years old, at least) sectors that go bad are automatically reallocated from a limited stash of good ones by drive firmware, but if it's got to the point where they surface as bad at the FS level then the drive is probably in deep trouble and likely to get worse.
Aspects of this, and more, can be examined on drives implementing the S.M.A.R.T. system which, AFAIK, means all modern drives; *buntu and other Linux distributions include the smartmontools package which enables drive health data to be monitored. This has been available for years.

But even if a bad sector does surface at the FS level (say, ext4) it certainly is possible to mark the block using it as bad and have the OS avoid it - see ext4.fsck -c and the other e2fsprogs utilities. Bad blocks can also be discovered with badblocks. Any files using blocks that have gone bad can be found via dumpe2fs and debugfs (e2fsprogs) then restored from backup.
These binaries have also been available in Linux distributions for several years.


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