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04 Aug 2010, 4:16 am

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I am the only one to feel that Ozymandias plot is more credible in the comic that in the movie ?



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Probably. At least Dr Manhattan exists, and it makes a little more sense then to kick him out of the picture. The only part of it that didn't make sense, then, was how the Comedian found out about it. But to be honest, it cut down on a lot of otherwise superfluous story.

Not that Ozymandias' plot wasn't intriguing in the comic book.


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Also watching Watchmen does anybody else think that Jeffrey Dean Morgan (played The Comedian) could be great as Batman/Bruce Wayne in an adaption of The Dark Knight Returns? I actually just re-read the graphic novel and thought that he could pull off the older and gritty batman pretty well



it could work i guess


If it was anything but The Dark Knight Returns, I would say BS. But Morgan is certainly a contender for that version of Batman.


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04 Aug 2010, 4:03 pm

Quatermass wrote:
imbatshitcrazy wrote:
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I am the only one to feel that Ozymandias plot is more credible in the comic that in the movie ?



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Probably. At least Dr Manhattan exists, and it makes a little more sense then to kick him out of the picture. The only part of it that didn't make sense, then, was how the Comedian found out about it. But to be honest, it cut down on a lot of otherwise superfluous story.

Not that Ozymandias' plot wasn't intriguing in the comic book.


I thought the plot was more credible in the graphic novel because of the world uniting against an alien invasion. but the plot in the movie was good too.

imbatshitcrazy wrote:
Xenu wrote:
Also watching Watchmen does anybody else think that Jeffrey Dean Morgan (played The Comedian) could be great as Batman/Bruce Wayne in an adaption of The Dark Knight Returns? I actually just re-read the graphic novel and thought that he could pull off the older and gritty batman pretty well



it could work i guess



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If it was anything but The Dark Knight Returns, I would say BS. But Morgan is certainly a contender for that version of Batman.


i think the batman series should end after batman 3. i just don't want to risk another schumacher-like abomination. look at what happened to TAS, now we have the brave and the bold. :(



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04 Aug 2010, 9:04 pm

I saw the movie first, and liked it so much that I asked my wife for the graphic novel for Christmas. I think The Watchmen is in my humble opinion the best superhero movie EVER. You had characters who were clearly dysfunctional (Rorschach), down right despicable (the Comedian), and more and more disconnected to the point of becoming autistic (Dr. Manhattan), just to name a few problems showing up on page and screen. And yet, you can't help but pull for them (well, with the possible exception of the Comedian). My only real complaint was the choice of actor playing Ozymandius. I thought a better choice of actor would have had more muscularity, once I read the comic,rather than that living stick they got to play him.
But the two characters who I liked the most had to be Rorschach, and Manhattan. For the former, I suppose you can't help but like a homicidal maniac who kills for good. As for Manhattan, I seriously believe he acquired Asperger's when the nuclear experiment destroyed his former incarnation as Osterman.
Anyone else here think Manhattan has Asperger's?

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05 Aug 2010, 3:41 am

imbatshitcrazy wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
imbatshitcrazy wrote:
Psychopompos wrote:
I am the only one to feel that Ozymandias plot is more credible in the comic that in the movie ?



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Probably. At least Dr Manhattan exists, and it makes a little more sense then to kick him out of the picture. The only part of it that didn't make sense, then, was how the Comedian found out about it. But to be honest, it cut down on a lot of otherwise superfluous story.

Not that Ozymandias' plot wasn't intriguing in the comic book.


I thought the plot was more credible in the graphic novel because of the world uniting against an alien invasion. but the plot in the movie was good too.



In the movie the consequences are a bit weird. Imagine what the USA would have said to the USSR to be allied again :
"Hi ! The secret weapon we used to threaten you for decades have become mad. Would you help us to fight him ?" :lol:


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05 Aug 2010, 9:04 am

... this awful city, it screams like an abattoir full of retarded children. New York.



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12 Aug 2010, 1:28 pm

i remember the when the graphic novel came out but never read it......i LOVED the movie....... Rorshcach was my fav. character (Jackie Earle Haley was great for him)....as for Jeffrey Dean Morgan he might be able to pull off Batman (saw him in The Losers and i think that gives more credit to that possibility)



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12 Aug 2010, 4:12 pm

I loved the graphic novel, its one of my favorites. The movie was pretty good too, not as good as the book though.



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12 Aug 2010, 5:02 pm

I've read the novel and I did enjoy it, though it was a little bit over-long and convoluted for my taste. I think V for Vendetta is superior, but both are very good.


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12 Aug 2010, 7:11 pm

I agree that the genius of the original work largely lies in the acknowledgment that people who would put on costumes and fight crime are likely a bit "off" mentally, and exploring the implications of that. I also like that the characters defy easy "armchair diagnosis", Rorschach and the Comedian display certain sociopath like tendencies, but neither truly fits that diagnosis either, with Rorschach tipping more towards delusional and the Comedian being a brutal realist. Silk Spectre II and Night Owl II probably are the least damaged of the bunch, having been motivated by family pressure and hero worship respectively, but still are not what you'd call "normal" people by any stretch. Part of why I liked the movie so much was that it made these superficially unlikable characters sympathetic and realistic, even when the plot itself dealt with extraordinary events.


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26 Aug 2011, 11:04 am

I read the graphic novel years ago, and was constantly waiting for the film since I was keeping up on the production blogs. I wasn't disappointed. Probably the reason I like it is because it brings a sense of motion to stuff that needed energy not available on the printed page(like the 1977 riots scene, that always should have been in motion), and the production design, it's just so freaking amazing! Also, the book was missing something whenever I read it that could make it feel more whole, and they didn't take advantage of the alternate history concept. There, I said it.



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26 Aug 2011, 12:53 pm

The comic is great for reasons that don't need to be said because they've been said a million times before. Reading it in the middle of the 90s as a teenager blew me away, and I still think it's the best comic ever written. As for the movie, I would have liked it more if it hadn't stuck so close to the book. They should have used David Hayter's original script that took place in the present and addressed present day issues. Keeping it in 1985 makes it almost irrelevant to today's world. Overall, though, it's pretty damn good, easily Zack Snyder's best work.



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27 Aug 2011, 1:10 am

Love the graphic novel...read it almost a decade before the movie came out. I thought the movie was very good, though it falls just short of being as good as the graphic novel.



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27 Aug 2011, 7:52 am

I like the books. I don't think they are the great comics they are made out to be. Movie was a good adaptation. I have watched it a couple of times and I enjoy the movie ending more than the book ending.



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27 Aug 2011, 7:57 am

terrible movie, my attention deficit brain couldn't keep up. because it was a parallel universe i couldn't tell when it was the past or present and there were too many story lines. wow, just terrible.


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27 Aug 2011, 8:33 am

one of the best graphic novels ever written. i loved Rorschachs chapter especially- that was just sick and doctor manhattans was good too. i liked the non linear view of time. it was one of those really good reads that just left you feeling meditative and satisfied after reading it. i just held it and sat and thought after i read the final page. i havent watched the film. i hear its a good reproduction in terms of detail but the changed ending worries me. and i think the comic in a comic bit was taken out too and turned into a separate cartoon. want to watch it just to see if it works.


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