How do you discipline a child with Aspergers ?
And how often does that happen?
I often had my video game privileges taken away from me; one of the very few things I embraced as a kid. And I NEVER lashed out violently. Only verbally
If that is truly a realistic concern, then the kid doesn't belong in the house in the first place. He belongs in a prison or psych ward.
As you said yourself, you lashed out at it. Which in itself defeats the punishment.
A punishment that causes lashing out isn't a punishment. Its a trigger. And triggers should be avoided.
True punishment causes reflection, not abuse.
Then of course there is also the psychological standpoint of how screwed up people become when they are punished in ways that cause such reactions in them. Not just during that time, but even into their adulthood
My son is the same age and he has a history of attacking me, but that behavior is largely gone.
Is he attacking you out-of-the-blue, or in response to discipline?
Give him a fair warning about his actions. "If you don't turn off the video game in 5 minutes, then you won't get to play it tomorrow."
If aggression is a problem for him when you make these kinds of statements, tack on a consequence for aggression. "If you don't turn of the video game in 5 minutes, then you won't get to play it tomorrow. If you are aggressive, then you will not get to play it for a week."
With aggression, it's important to stop him in his tracks before he makes physical contact. If you anticipate the attack, put your hands in front of you and tell him to "stop". If he makes contact, then you need to do a protective hold, until he stops his attack. He must be disciplined eevery time when attacks take place. He needs to eliminate that behavior before his teen years. My son hates being sent to his room, so that worked a great deal with him.
If your son is able to replace physical aggression with verbal aggression, still discipline for the outrageous verbal outburst. But, let him know that he did good by not hitting. I tell that to my son all the time, yelling is bad, but it won't send you to jail like hitting will.
No my point is that you should actually punish your kid. Not just punishment as an excuse to needless abuse them which usually in turn leads to drug use, or at least phsyical/verbal abusive behavior from him later in llife. Especially when you know the kid has a disorder that may cause his connections between events to solely be direct so doing things like taking his stuff away will be connected with you hating him rather than him getting in trouble
Not to mention anyone with an ounce of knowledge about child psychology would tell you to never punish a child in a way that causes them to lash out as all you are doing is bringing on more, and likely longterm, problems that wouldn't be there if you had used a bit of common sense and good parenting in the first place. (yes some lashing out is normal, but there is quite a difference between restricting things and doing something than an aspie would equate with stealing the things he most needs to feel secure in his life)
Is he attacking you out-of-the-blue, or in response to discipline?
Give him a fair warning about his actions. "If you don't turn off the video game in 5 minutes, then you won't get to play it tomorrow."
If aggression is a problem for him when you make these kinds of statements, tack on a consequence for aggression. "If you don't turn of the video game in 5 minutes, then you won't get to play it tomorrow. If you are aggressive, then you will not get to play it for a week."
With aggression, it's important to stop him in his tracks before he makes physical contact. If you anticipate the attack, put your hands in front of you and tell him to "stop". If he makes contact, then you need to do a protective hold, until he stops his attack. He must be disciplined eevery time when attacks take place. He needs to eliminate that behavior before his teen years. My son hates being sent to his room, so that worked a great deal with him.
If your son is able to replace physical aggression with verbal aggression, still discipline for the outrageous verbal outburst. But, let him know that he did good by not hitting. I tell that to my son all the time, yelling is bad, but it won't send you to jail like hitting will.
Also, never punish him for not immediately turning off the game - he does need a chance to save it. And not giving him that chance can cause quite a meltdown. AThe 5 minute warning gives him plenty of time to save but make sure he understands how much time 5 minutes is and give him at least one more warning at the 1 minute mark
I once swallowed about 30 pills because my dad hit me. He told me to move because he wanted to watch the superbowl. I went to save my gameboy game that I was playing before I moved and he hit me for not moving. So I threw the gameboy at him, grabbed my pills and swallowed repetitively (I'd like to add that the medicine I was on is now known to cause suicidal behavior and my stopping of suicide attempts did coincide with going off the medicine). Part of the reason i was upset is that I was too old to be "spanked." the other part was because I of course had done nothing wrong - I was doing exactly what he had said to. I was saving my game so I could get up and play it elsewhere. That's actually the only phsyical fight we ever had (aside from a time when I was 3 and was stabbing him with a fork because he was carrying me out of a restaurant for some behavior I was engaged in)
We are talking about aspies, not Nts. And if your child is lashing out like a maniac screaming you hate him, his life sucks, there is no point in living if he doesn't have his nintendo, or runs at you the second you announce what will happend you can usually tell he's in a meltdown. Any punishment that causes a meltdown can not be considered to be anything that remotely resembles a punishment. Unless your goal of punishment is to cause a rage and flurry of extreme emotions rather than anything that will stop the behavior you are punishing him for
I like video games too. I would actually tell my son to get to a saving point and turn it off. If he starts wandering all over the game, I know he's stalling
Oh yes, Always best to intentionally engage in actions you know will cause a meltdown than to engage in tactics that will actually be productive in reaching your goal
I've been reading this thread with interest because I too have been wondering about the meltdown vs. just normal bratty behavior in some kids.
We have two aspies and one NT -- guess which one I think is brattier? Of course, the NT. But that doesn't mean that I don't think that my Aspies aren't capable of being bratty. My oldest (now 21) has verified for me that, in one situation where he was literally acting crazy to get his way, I bought into it and did exactly what he wanted [for fear of his having a serious breakdown] -- and now he tells me it was all for show, to be SURE that he got what he wanted. Most of the time this kid was a good kid, and didn't cause too many problems. We never had any physical violence with either boy, so I don't know what I would do in that circumstance.
But having said this, most of the time our discipline has remained the same with all three. We make the expectations very clear. We point out good behavior in their peers, and bad behavior in their peers. We had a tendency to do this and say things like "well, that's just so and so acting stupid" rather than saying the behavior was BAD, because then our children could view that behavior as not only bad to US, but bad to them and their peers. If you purposely make a mess with your food at a restaurant, then you just look silly, you look immature. If you have good manners at a restaurant, then you get better service from the waiter, and you are treated like an adult by your peers and your parents. As a teenager, if you don't let us know where you are at any given time, and you come home late, then we don't allow you to go out with your friends the next time. If you take the initiative and call us to let us know where you are and when you'll be home, viola, we give you more freedom.
I know I am not a parent but I was the asperger's child so I am going to leave my two cents if that is ok with everyone.
Triangular_Trees your totally right, punishments are meant for reflection not to cause a meltdown. I remember my dad used to spank me and lord I broke things in retaliation, I attacked, and many times I refused to talk to him for a week.
The punishment should fit the crime always but remember children with asperger's are not like NTs just because it works with NTs does not mean it works with asperger's children. NT children and apserger's children are like apples and oranges and so are the way their behaviors need to be addressed.
If you punish them, you're meant to do it in such a way that does NOT trigger a meltdown. A meltdown will only escalate the situation. if you carry on triggering meltdowns in your child, your child will end up completely hating you when he grows up, and will shut you out of his life.
With me, I have already planned that I will cut all ties with my family once I move out.
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The right way to do it is to make your child undersatnd what he has done wrong, as if he reacts with a meltdown, chances are he did not understand what he did wrong, and believes he doesn't deserve the punishment. Once he has calmed down, only then you can explain to him. The parent, being the responsible adult, must also make every effort to avoid these meltdowns in the children happening in the first place.
Also, NEVER punish your child for a meltdown as it will only increase the distance between you and your child.
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