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Do you believe God exists?
1) God is a being, that one can have a personal relationship. A person God. 30%  30%  [ 55 ]
2) God is an impersonal force that guides reality as it is. He decrees our laws of physics, but does not intervene to break them. 12%  12%  [ 22 ]
3) God does not exist. Reality can be explained by scientific inquiry and the scientific method in by itself. 33%  33%  [ 60 ]
4) I am not sure. There is the possibility that God does exist, or does not. We must follow the preponderance of evidence when drawing our conclusion. 26%  26%  [ 47 ]
Total votes : 184

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23 May 2016, 4:19 pm

just used mind control to switch on the light but failed
time to go to bed then



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23 May 2016, 4:28 pm

Grischa
The lights just came on .....
in a corner of my nearly normal brain.

(Nearly Normal was the name of one of my programs. Others were Mime over Matter... But I digress as usual ...)

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25 May 2016, 3:00 pm

Do I have to believe God exists? I asked
and the echo in this empty thread answered:
God exists, exists, exists



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25 May 2016, 5:01 pm

Sure, as a voice in your head.



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25 May 2016, 5:09 pm

i believe god exists as a construct and is therefore real, but not necessarily true.



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25 May 2016, 5:27 pm

May the mystery of The Lord be revealed to you.

Read each word.
We are reading in the translation from Hebrew.

Here's a translation from the Aramaic.

"But when I came to you, my brethren, I did not proclaim to you by magnificent speech, neither by scholarship, The Gospel of the mystery of God."


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25 May 2016, 6:52 pm

seaweed wrote:
i believe god exists as a construct and is therefore real, but not necessarily true.

The concept of god exists. Trivial point.



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25 May 2016, 7:04 pm

Turns out I was right. Even though mathematically, a theorem or physical property may give solutions that are possible within mathematical construct, they are not considered to be hard science by the AAS, unless they can be observed or tested in a lab setting. And no, there is no such thing as theoretical falsifiability. As I mentioned before, it is a term that AspE made up.


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25 May 2016, 9:26 pm

I never used the term "hard science". I was explaining the standard definition of falsifiability.

Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is the inherent possibility that it can be proven false. A statement is called falsifiable if it is possible to conceive of an observation or an argument which negates the statement in question. In this sense, falsify is synonymous with nullify, meaning to invalidate or "show to be false".



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25 May 2016, 10:36 pm

The wisdom of man changes.

You'll have to wait for the rest.


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25 May 2016, 10:41 pm

AspE wrote:
seaweed wrote:
i believe god exists as a construct and is therefore real, but not necessarily true.

The concept of god exists. Trivial point.


the whole question is trivial.
and the poll options still can't hope to cover it.
to me, god is synchronous with government.
there ya go.



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26 May 2016, 8:27 am

seaweed wrote:
AspE wrote:
seaweed wrote:
i believe god exists as a construct and is therefore real, but not necessarily true.

The concept of god exists. Trivial point.


the whole question is trivial.
and the poll options still can't hope to cover it.
to me, god is synchronous with government.
there ya go.

I think the question is an important one. This belief influences politics on a very basic level. Government is important, and religions based on belief in God seek to change it to align with their faith.



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26 May 2016, 8:47 am

AspE wrote:
I never used the term "hard science". I was explaining the standard definition of falsifiability.

Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is the inherent possibility that it can be proven false. A statement is called falsifiable if it is possible to conceive of an observation or an argument which negates the statement in question. In this sense, falsify is synonymous with nullify, meaning to invalidate or "show to be false".


I do not disagree with the statement you are quoting. Simply put, there is only one form of falsifiability, and that is the ability to put an experimental concept to the test. There is no such thing as "theoretical" falsifiability. It is a term you made up.

Thus the multiverse model is unfalsifiable as it cannot be tested upon or observed.


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26 May 2016, 9:19 am

Deltaville wrote:
AspE wrote:
I never used the term "hard science". I was explaining the standard definition of falsifiability.

Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is the inherent possibility that it can be proven false. A statement is called falsifiable if it is possible to conceive of an observation or an argument which negates the statement in question. In this sense, falsify is synonymous with nullify, meaning to invalidate or "show to be false".


I do not disagree with the statement you are quoting. Simply put, there is only one form of falsifiability, and that is the ability to put an experimental concept to the test. There is no such thing as "theoretical" falsifiability. It is a term you made up.

Thus the multiverse model is unfalsifiable as it cannot be tested upon or observed.

But the standard is simply the ability to conceive of an experiment, not the ability to do the experiment given the current state of technology, funding, practical considerations, etc... Falsifiable in principle is a valid concept in science.



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26 May 2016, 9:44 am

Fuckin-g captcha, I cannot post anything.


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