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21 Aug 2017, 6:25 am

adifferentname wrote:

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adifferentname wrote:

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The last few pages were you berating me for espousing liberal politics.

Took some time with that reply. If you spent it consulting a professional spin doctor, I'd ask for a refund.

Do you watch the clock till I post a response? A bit anal on your part, wouldn't you say?

Are you unfamiliar with time stamps?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I respond when and how I like.

Well, it's official. You've failed the Turing Test, Billbot.

Does that mean I won't be bothered by your posts anymore?

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21 Aug 2017, 7:43 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Does that mean I won't be bothered by your posts anymore?

Going on past record? Unlikely.

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21 Aug 2017, 12:39 pm

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Does that mean I won't be bothered by your posts anymore?

Going on past record? Unlikely.

Don't be a nag, and I won't.

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21 Aug 2017, 12:43 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

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Does that mean I won't be bothered by your posts anymore?

Going on past record? Unlikely.

Don't be a nag, and I won't.

I'd dearly love to believe that, Bill, but this isn't my first rodeo.

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21 Aug 2017, 12:45 pm

adifferentname wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

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Does that mean I won't be bothered by your posts anymore?

Going on past record? Unlikely.

Don't be a nag, and I won't.

I'd dearly love to believe that, Bill, but this isn't my first rodeo.

You are the one sending post after post at me.

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21 Aug 2017, 1:44 pm

It drowns out real debate, and wastes your time, Bill, but the tactic has a few drawbacks.

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21 Aug 2017, 2:25 pm

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It drowns out real debate, and wastes your time, Bill, but the tactic has a few drawbacks.

You're still posting.

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21 Aug 2017, 2:27 pm

Most people know nothing about WW2 or National Socialism, certainly not the rioters in Charlottesville, Hitler has become a media-aided meme for "remove all brown people". They aren't really Nazis. If you ever asked them what an anti-Soviet German supremacist, economically socialist ideology has to do with modern day American problems, you'll get a blank stare.

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Our troops fought and died to protect the constitution and bill of rights. They fought for freedom.

Case in point. WW2 and it's warm up round WW1 were not moral crusades, the Allies didn't go in to protect Jews or fight for American democracy or freedom or a left wing egalitarian world. It was entirely imperialist, entirely cynical. Our main ally was Stalin for f***s sake.

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21 Aug 2017, 3:11 pm

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Our troops fought and died to protect the constitution and bill of rights. They fought for freedom.

Well, Stalin was an ally out of necessity. And in all fairness, we had been attacked by Japan, then had war declared on us by Japan's ally, Nazi Germany.

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21 Aug 2017, 3:45 pm

I'd say the real enemy is facism, not Nazism which hasnt really existed since '45 or so. And facism to me is anybody left or right who wants to control my thoughts, beliefs, or choices. When you see riots like the other day, there are facists on both sides. Who the hell is anybody to tell anybody else what theyre allowed to believe? I tolerate everybody until they actually offend/affect me, even the intolerant ones.

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21 Aug 2017, 4:05 pm

The Neo-Nazis have taken up the bulk of the negative ideology of the real Nazis.

Fascism with a capital "F" means Mussolini's political philosophy.

I am an enemy of Nazism, Fascism, neo-Nazism, and fascism.

I'm also an enemy of radical Socialism and Communism.

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21 Aug 2017, 4:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Well, Stalin was an ally out of necessity.

No doubt, but it puts to bed the lie that WW2 was about morals, justice, democracy, freedom or any other such nonsense.

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And in all fairness, we had been attacked by Japan, then had war declared on us by Japan's ally, Nazi Germany.

Wars don't begin with the first shot. America's involvement in both Europe and Asia was heavy long before Japan attacked. Japan's declaration of war was largely due to cynical American and British imperial meddling with their own cynical imperial ambitions.

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21 Aug 2017, 4:28 pm

We would have "gotten into" World War II, anyway.

But Pearl Harbor accelerated the inevitable.

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21 Aug 2017, 5:41 pm

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We would have "gotten into" World War II, anyway.

But Pearl Harbor accelerated the inevitable.

Likely yes, given that was the desire of many blossoming imperialists in the government. Had you had more isolationist politicians however, I don't believe it was inevitable. The oil embargo (which would have quickly crippled the Japanese) more or less guaranteed a Japanese military response. Like I said, wars don't start with the first shot fired.

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21 Aug 2017, 6:25 pm

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Well, Stalin was an ally out of necessity.

No doubt, but it puts to bed the lie that WW2 was about morals, justice, democracy, freedom or any other such nonsense.

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And in all fairness, we had been attacked by Japan, then had war declared on us by Japan's ally, Nazi Germany.

Considering Japanese atrocities committed in pre-WWII China, we should have been meddling even more than we had. In fact, at the Rape of Nanking, it was a Nazi - yes, a Nazi - by the name of John Raabe who had saved more lives on the ground than had the Americans. If Japanese actions were that bad as to move a Nazi into doing the right thing, then you know they had to have been godawful.

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21 Aug 2017, 7:00 pm

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America didn't meddle because of the Japanese atrocities, just as America didn't join the European theater to save the Jews. Just as America didn't go into Iraq to find WMDs. They, and Britain didn't give two hoots about either the Jews or the Chinese. We found out about the Jewish labour/death camps during the war from a few who had escaped. Did we take any tactical action to stop it? Did we bomb the railways? Nope.

Whether there is a moral justification to wage war for atrocities like that is a different argument, but my only point right now is: that wasn't why America meddled. Post-hoc justifications to paint wars as good vs evil, as grand moral crusades is just the victor's history.

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