Which do you think is more a mental illness?

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21 Sep 2017, 1:03 am

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Conservatism or Socialism ? I ask because many on the political right argue that Socialism is a mental illness.


To assert that either is an illness in any form is silly.


It depends on how flexible your definition is...

For example, it is my considered opinion that many ppl live in a state of mild dissociation in which denial about themselves and the life system they live in is preferable to the hard facts of life, the universe...and everything...
Personally, my motto is: I'd rather live a hash truth than a comfortable lie...

Some people will alter their perception if they find a particular situation too philosophically threatening...
In situations such as this, dissociative disorders may manifest...

Less dramatic are instances where a person's existential foundation is rattled to the point of unleashing the reptilian brain (using the Triune Brain Model) which reverts into survival mode through the suppression of the logical neocortex...

In conclusion:
For much of the time, we live in a life system where the inmates have control of the asylum, and where the majority of those inmates have a leftist orientation...:P

BTW, it has become apparent that some people have misunderstood my tongue-in-cheek style...
I suspect others believe I am displaying evidence of an alpha male mindset...
These misunderstanding will me dealt with shortly...

Slartibartfast, signing off... :mrgreen:



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21 Sep 2017, 7:10 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain


This is trash.

People who say this are people who dabbled in politics in their youth, but never explored politcs in-depth.
Noam Chomsky is still on the far-left. He's university educated. He's 88. Bernie Sanders is 76.



This is garbage...errr...I mean trash... :P

What hidden/implied qualifiers are you using here?
Some, many, most?
Are you using any?
Are you simply stereotyping all people who disagree with you on this point?


Are you basing your entire rebuttal on two examples?
BTW, it is well known that those two individual have no brains...:P


This sort of saying/motto is not meant to be taken as a black and white statement...
It is meant to express a general principle...

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This is often true. Oftentimes, leftist youths will make sub-standard arguments in favor of reasonable positions ... because they are dumb kids who don't understand politics very well.


Not only do young people have a limited understanding about politics due to their chronological inexperience, they also have an immature knowledge base in regards to life, the universe and everything.
Life wisdom comes from experiencing life, not simply reading about it.
I don't fancy your chances of convincing them of this fact of life, however...;)
Have you *ever* tried talking to a young person? :P

In addition to this, the human brain isn't fully developed/mature until about the mid twenties.
Before maturity, the less evolved elements of the brain (the reptilian and limbic/mammalian) tend to have greater dominance
over the more evolved and logical neocortex, hence the emotion infused angst/passion that the young are universally known for.

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For conservatism, this is always true. I've tried arguing with conservatives. They will usually throw non-arguments at me.

My parents are an exception. I calmly told them about the military-industrial complex ... and now they don't consider themselves conservative anymore!

Are we going to reject evolution just because most people who believe in evolution have a tough time explaining it?


Conversely, are we going to reject *any* philosophical principle simply because of an inarticulate presenter?

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I.E. Reason, facts and practicality take a back seat to emotional gratification and a righteous/moral philosophical position...


Projection


How am I projecting?
Could you elaborate?
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Ipso facto and by definition, of the two, socialism would lean towards greater mental illness...
Simples... ;)


I just cringed.


You do realise this isn't a serious discussion...
It is a bit of philosophical "fluff"... ;)



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21 Sep 2017, 8:07 pm

Pepe wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain


This is trash.

People who say this are people who dabbled in politics in their youth, but never explored politcs in-depth.
Noam Chomsky is still on the far-left. He's university educated. He's 88. Bernie Sanders is 76.



This is garbage...errr...I mean trash... :P

What hidden/implied qualifiers are you using here?
Some, many, most?
Are you using any?
Are you simply stereotyping all people who disagree with you on this point?


Are you basing your entire rebuttal on two examples?
BTW, it is well known that those two individual have no brains...:P


Funny, Chomsky is both the world's foremost expert on lingustics as well as one of most informed political commentators of our time. To make such a suggestion, that he lacks a brain, strongly implies the one making said suggestion is also the one lacking. :wink:

Or as another well-known doctor once said, 'when you dis Dre you dis yourself'.


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22 Sep 2017, 3:38 am

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Mental illness is defined by some in a nutshell as the inability to think rationally.. so... political bigotry which ignores all evidence but that which fits over-riding prejudice.. could be said to be irrational... this would make a great number of people "mentally ill" it seems!

Being irrational is not the definition of mental illness. Not in general at least. Being irrational is the default state for most human beings. It simply a matter of hubris to consider the normal average human being to be a creature of reason.



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22 Sep 2017, 3:56 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain


This is trash.

People who say this are people who dabbled in politics in their youth, but never explored politcs in-depth.
Noam Chomsky is still on the far-left. He's university educated. He's 88. Bernie Sanders is 76.



This is garbage...errr...I mean trash... :P

What hidden/implied qualifiers are you using here?
Some, many, most?
Are you using any?
Are you simply stereotyping all people who disagree with you on this point?


Are you basing your entire rebuttal on two examples?
BTW, it is well known that those two individual have no brains...:P


Funny, Chomsky is both the world's foremost expert on lingustics as well as one of most informed political commentators of our time. To make such a suggestion, that he lacks a brain, strongly implies the one making said suggestion is also the one lacking. :wink:

Or as another well-known doctor once said, 'when you dis Dre you dis yourself'.

There are people even more intelligent than Chomsky who have come around to having a critical view of the current state of global capitalism. To believe the economic status quo is not a long term stable solution for humanity is not necessarily radical.

Completely doing away with private property or getting rid of free-markets in favor of economic micromanagement by a central government IS untenable in my opinion. I'm not a utopian. I think certain forms of market socialism (mutualism) can work.