Why is every news media source slanted against Trump?
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20 Nov 2017, 7:37 pm
Obama rightly got criticised when he made mistakes, but overall he was a great man who helped America recover its former glory and turned it into a respectable country. He'll go down in history as one of the great presidents. It seems almost certain that Trump will go down even below William Henry Harrison. It isn't out of the question that he could turn his presidency around and achieve something, but it seems unlikely as he is incredibly unsuitable to the office. He's stupid, he has no vision, he is bigoted, he has no political nous, and he doesn't even realise how bad he is.
People right across the political spectrum agree that Trump is not a suitable president. Some people support him because they'd rather have a bad Republican than any Democrat (and before any Democrats sneer, I'm sure there are many in the Democrats who would rather have Bernie Sanders than George H.W. Bush). The only people who seriously support him are far-right. That suggests that it is the far-right who are not making a fair assessment.
First, on political left and right.
Political left means :
Goverment takes care of the people
state owned companies
Socialism - 'everybody is equal' myth
closed to outsiders
Political right means,
People are responsible for their own actions and welfare
State believes in free market and only very few companies are owned by the goverment
capitalism - everybody is not equal
open society
This is the only correct description of left and right
And this is where it gets confusing, because the media has portayed anyone conservative as extreme right.
Extreme right is commonly associated with neo nazi groups.
Hitler was an socialist and thus extreme left.
But wowowhoooww? how can someone on the extreme left exterminate all jews? Well, first the hate for the jews was already part of the collective beliefweb he grew up in. Second, the backstab myth after the first world war and the dire economic situation created an extremely toxic situation that lead to a very similar process i described in my previous post.
Hitler's beliefweb has NOTHING to do with POLITICAL left or right.
After the second world war, most countries had political left-minded parties controlling the goverment. They were SHOCKED a socialistic mindset could lead to millions of death, thus they branded Hitler as extreme right.
I am not an trump supporter. Infact, i dont really care at all - i just observe patterns in society which i find fascinating.
My observation thus far ; there has NEVER been an extreme right movement, since extreme right would mean pro capitalism and a complete open society. Instead of that, all movements you currently see can be categorised as extreme left, since they all strife for a monopoly on the truth (goverment controls people) and try to normalise society by exterminating others who disagree with them. The only difference between those groups is their beliefweb.
Remember, this only works if you are honest with yourself
But those two options are not what we have had. We have had government and big business often allied for their common good at the expense of most of the population, "fascism" if you want to label it. The communists and fellow travelers have taken advantage of this to destabilize things. Part of this destabilization is the Trump phenomenon blowback which has accelerated the destabilization and given views that were on the fringe currency. The illiberal left probably could never in their wildest dreams imagined such a beneficial event as the Trump presidency. You have the optics of a fascist takeover combined with the inability to do much actually rolling back the left on policy and especially the culture.
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20 Nov 2017, 7:46 pm
The main reason that I rarely read or post in PPR is the constant reference to binary claims, as if there was nothing but distance between the "left" and "right". Even in the USA, I don't believe that, though you see it everyday in this forum.
In their book, “The Hidden Agenda of the Political Mind” psychologists Jason Weeden and Robert Kurzban performed a detailed analysis of the American political landscape. What they found did not neatly fit into a simple map of left and right. They discovered anti-tax, pro-choice advocates. They found God-fearing, social conservatives in favor of the welfare state. They unearthed latte liberals ill at ease with affirmative action. The political views describes by the book could not simply be cast into two competing silos but into many.
There is a semblance of binary analysis here in NZ too, though usually there is recognition that there is a substantial centrist position which incorporates different strands of political thought. It's much harder here to guess what anyone's true political position is, and arguments are not based simply on political tribalism all the time. I no longer read most USA media because it is so predictable and so binary to an extreme degree.
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20 Nov 2017, 11:36 pm
I know the news media tells lies about Trump in an attempt to discredit him. I find it infuriating because Trump has done plenty of bad things in real life, so why don't they report on that stuff instead of making stuff up?
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21 Nov 2017, 2:52 am
On trumps conservative movement being a blowback and actually speeding up the destabilisation proces, absolutely right. You have to remember that 45% of the population is now so brainwashed with the marxistic idea that everybody is equal that they will protest or try character assasinate him in the media. These People are political prostitutes and serve only to bring a country to crisis. They think they fight nazi's in the form of antifa but they destabilise a country more. Do not look at these movements for they are the political prostitutes. Aim higher, follow the money and you know who is the true culprit in trying to turn america in an dictatorship.
Even if you right now change the schoolsysteem and start to brainwash a new generation of students with conservative ideas it will take 15-20 years per generation and only at generation 3 will those People from generation 1 now be in top positions. It is a very slow process and thus irreversible. America has been destroyed from the inside out and they dont even know what is going on.
As for the political scale, yes what i means by left and right is that this is what political left and right is on paper. In reality there are many Groups overlapping left and right, just like there are many forms of religion in islam and christianity, Jehova's, protestant, catholics, baptists etc.
If you however belief in the idea of free choice you are delusional. For the past 25 years we had the bush family twice as a president and the Clinton family almost twice. Obama appointed Hillary as secretary of state so we actually had the clintons twice already. Think about it, out of a population of 300 million we got those corrupt idiots from the bush / Clinton clan twice. It is delusional to believe in democracy. Hillary believed she could run for president because she believed it was her turn! Trump got elected and their agenda got delayed, ofcourse they try to destroy him in the media.
In the netherlands we also have fake democracy to such an extent that almost all major political parties push forward the european union agenda. The old boys network. Dissidents like wilders, New party forum for democracy and turkish party denk are character assasinated because they pose a threat.
Learn how to see the patterns, connect the dots and stay safe in these turbulent waters. The winner of a civil war is not determinant by who is right of wrong, what beliefweb is better or equal. It is only determinant by who is still standing and has the most weapons, then normalisation begins.
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21 Nov 2017, 3:25 am
Obama rightly got criticised when he made mistakes, but overall he was a great man who helped America recover its former glory and turned it into a respectable country. He'll go down in history as one of the great presidents. It seems almost certain that Trump will go down even below William Henry Harrison. It isn't out of the question that he could turn his presidency around and achieve something, but it seems unlikely as he is incredibly unsuitable to the office. He's stupid, he has no vision, he is bigoted, he has no political nous, and he doesn't even realise how bad he is.
People right across the political spectrum agree that Trump is not a suitable president. Some people support him because they'd rather have a bad Republican than any Democrat (and before any Democrats sneer, I'm sure there are many in the Democrats who would rather have Bernie Sanders than George H.W. Bush). The only people who seriously support him are far-right. That suggests that it is the far-right who are not making a fair assessment.
First, on political left and right.
Political left means :
Goverment takes care of the people
state owned companies
Socialism - 'everybody is equal' myth
closed to outsiders
Political right means,
People are responsible for their own actions and welfare
State believes in free market and only very few companies are owned by the goverment
capitalism - everybody is not equal
open society
This is the only correct description of left and right
And this is where it gets confusing, because the media has portayed anyone conservative as extreme right.
Extreme right is commonly associated with neo nazi groups.
Hitler was an socialist and thus extreme left.
But wowowhoooww? how can someone on the extreme left exterminate all jews? Well, first the hate for the jews was already part of the collective beliefweb he grew up in. Second, the backstab myth after the first world war and the dire economic situation created an extremely toxic situation that lead to a very similar process i described in my previous post.
Hitler's beliefweb has NOTHING to do with POLITICAL left or right.
After the second world war, most countries had political left-minded parties controlling the goverment. They were SHOCKED a socialistic mindset could lead to millions of death, thus they branded Hitler as extreme right.
I am not an trump supporter. Infact, i dont really care at all - i just observe patterns in society which i find fascinating.
My observation thus far ; there has NEVER been an extreme right movement, since extreme right would mean pro capitalism and a complete open society. Instead of that, all movements you currently see can be categorised as extreme left, since they all strife for a monopoly on the truth (goverment controls people) and try to normalise society by exterminating others who disagree with them. The only difference between those groups is their beliefweb.
Remember, this only works if you are honest with yourself
That's some interesting revisionist nonsense you've posted.
Right = nationalist. Right does not imply pro-capitalism, or limited government or anything else. Both 'internationalist socialist' and 'globalist capitalist' ideals are in opposition to the right, using the terms as they were originally meant. In modern, liberal democracies both the left and right advocate for mixed markets, the main point of contention is how exactly to mix things.
People on the far-right can keep attempting to redefine the NSDAP as 'left wing', but so long as you're being honest with yourself you understand that Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, all belong on the right. If you're not a hypernationalist like them, you're not as far right as they are.
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21 Nov 2017, 3:27 am
So did hillary and Obama by making hundreds of millions by selling 20% of uranium 1 to russia. Had this being the 60's, they woud have been lined up against the wall and shot for treason. But the country is now so demoralised and destabilised that you can already see a state within a state. The prosecuters are compromised and are political prostitutes. The fbi is compromised etc, this is why hillary and Obama will get away and witnesses will get suicided by 2 bullets in the back of their heads
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21 Nov 2017, 3:31 am
Obama rightly got criticised when he made mistakes, but overall he was a great man who helped America recover its former glory and turned it into a respectable country. He'll go down in history as one of the great presidents. It seems almost certain that Trump will go down even below William Henry Harrison. It isn't out of the question that he could turn his presidency around and achieve something, but it seems unlikely as he is incredibly unsuitable to the office. He's stupid, he has no vision, he is bigoted, he has no political nous, and he doesn't even realise how bad he is.
People right across the political spectrum agree that Trump is not a suitable president. Some people support him because they'd rather have a bad Republican than any Democrat (and before any Democrats sneer, I'm sure there are many in the Democrats who would rather have Bernie Sanders than George H.W. Bush). The only people who seriously support him are far-right. That suggests that it is the far-right who are not making a fair assessment.
First, on political left and right.
Political left means :
Goverment takes care of the people
state owned companies
Socialism - 'everybody is equal' myth
closed to outsiders
Political right means,
People are responsible for their own actions and welfare
State believes in free market and only very few companies are owned by the goverment
capitalism - everybody is not equal
open society
This is the only correct description of left and right
And this is where it gets confusing, because the media has portayed anyone conservative as extreme right.
Extreme right is commonly associated with neo nazi groups.
Hitler was an socialist and thus extreme left.
But wowowhoooww? how can someone on the extreme left exterminate all jews? Well, first the hate for the jews was already part of the collective beliefweb he grew up in. Second, the backstab myth after the first world war and the dire economic situation created an extremely toxic situation that lead to a very similar process i described in my previous post.
Hitler's beliefweb has NOTHING to do with POLITICAL left or right.
After the second world war, most countries had political left-minded parties controlling the goverment. They were SHOCKED a socialistic mindset could lead to millions of death, thus they branded Hitler as extreme right.
I am not an trump supporter. Infact, i dont really care at all - i just observe patterns in society which i find fascinating.
My observation thus far ; there has NEVER been an extreme right movement, since extreme right would mean pro capitalism and a complete open society. Instead of that, all movements you currently see can be categorised as extreme left, since they all strife for a monopoly on the truth (goverment controls people) and try to normalise society by exterminating others who disagree with them. The only difference between those groups is their beliefweb.
Remember, this only works if you are honest with yourself
That's some interesting revisionist nonsense you've posted.
Right = nationalist. Right does not imply pro-capitalism, or limited government or anything else. Both 'internationalist socialist' and 'globalist capitalist' ideals are in opposition to the right, using the terms as they were originally meant. In modern, liberal democracies both the left and right advocate for mixed markets, the main point of contention is how exactly to mix things.
People on the far-right can keep attempting to redefine the NSDAP as 'left wing', but so long as you're being honest with yourself you understand that Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, all belong on the right. If you're not a hypernationalist like them, you're not as far right as they are.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum
Looks like i just debunked your statement with 1 link.
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21 Nov 2017, 3:33 am
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
https://www.google.nl/amp/www.independe ... html%3famp
Hitler was a socialist. I like the denial of leftists and fakery of history. Like i said, the killing of jews and his ideas of racial superiority - inferiorirty was part of his belief system and had nothing to do with him nationalizing all companies and controlling everything in the country like a true socialist.
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21 Nov 2017, 3:41 am
Hitler was a socialist. I like the denial of leftists and fakery of history. Like i said, the killing of jews and his ideas of racial superiority - inferiorirty was part of his belief system and had nothing to do with him nationalizing all companies and controlling everything in the country like a true socialist.
Hitler wasn't a left-wing socialist. National socialism, fascism and other similar right wing/reactionary ideologies reinterpret socialist, syndicalist and similar ideas to suit their ideals. They share the utopian leanings of those ideologies (putting them at odds with conservatives), but embrace ideas that are popular on the right and abhorrent to the left - they reject the internationalism and egalitarianism that defines the left.
You can honestly argue they're not conservative, but you need to redefine the terms in order to try to argue they're not right wing, or far-right.
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21 Nov 2017, 3:45 am
Hitler was a socialist. I like the denial of leftists and fakery of history. Like i said, the killing of jews and his ideas of racial superiority - inferiorirty was part of his belief system and had nothing to do with him nationalizing all companies and controlling everything in the country like a true socialist.
Hitler wasn't a left-wing socialist. National socialism, fascism and other similar right wing/reactionary ideologies reinterpret socialist, syndicalist and similar ideas to suit their ideals. They share the utopian leanings of those ideologies (putting them at odds with conservatives), but embrace ideas that are popular on the right and abhorrent to the left - they reject the internationalism and egalitarianism that defines the left.
You can honestly argue they're not conservative, but you need to redefine the terms in order to try to argue they're not right wing, or far-right.
https://www.google.nl/amp/www.independe ... html%3famp
Read, he was a infact a socialist. Look up the definition of socialism and then compare it to Hitler.
The nsdap killed off dissidents and people not fitting into the collective standard.
The nsdap nationalised all companies.etc etc.
But hey, as a leftists you know how the saying goes in your circle, dont bother me with facts my mind is already made up.
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21 Nov 2017, 4:14 am
Hitler was a socialist. I like the denial of leftists and fakery of history. Like i said, the killing of jews and his ideas of racial superiority - inferiorirty was part of his belief system and had nothing to do with him nationalizing all companies and controlling everything in the country like a true socialist.
Hitler wasn't a left-wing socialist. National socialism, fascism and other similar right wing/reactionary ideologies reinterpret socialist, syndicalist and similar ideas to suit their ideals. They share the utopian leanings of those ideologies (putting them at odds with conservatives), but embrace ideas that are popular on the right and abhorrent to the left - they reject the internationalism and egalitarianism that defines the left.
You can honestly argue they're not conservative, but you need to redefine the terms in order to try to argue they're not right wing, or far-right.
https://www.google.nl/amp/www.independe ... html%3famp
Read, he was a infact a socialist. Look up the definition of socialism and then compare it to Hitler.
The nsdap killed off dissidents and people not fitting into the collective standard.
The nsdap nationalised all companies.etc etc.
But hey, as a leftists you know how the saying goes in your circle, dont bother me with facts my mind is already made up.
I thought you were trying to argue Hitler was a left-winger, you missed the part where I didn't really push against the notion of the NSDAP as maybe sorta vaguely having some sort of socialist influence to their ideology. The NSDAP are a right-wing party, not a left-wing party. You can't honestly define reactionaries as not belonging on the right.
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21 Nov 2017, 4:24 am
Wait, so you actually want school kids to be brainwashed?
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21 Nov 2017, 4:24 am
So did hillary and Obama by making hundreds of millions by selling 20% of uranium 1 to russia.
Where is your proof?
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21 Nov 2017, 4:32 am
Wait, so you actually want school kids to be brainwashed?
No, in a conservative idealisticly minded world that would happen. I am pro natural erosion / natural normalisation without violence and indoctrination. Lets say you want to educate the entire world on these genetic flaws encoded in humans and where this lust for dominance comes from, you ironicly create what you want to eliminate : a monopoly on the truth.
Leftism always is the causes for a revolution, after which political opponents are eliminated. Then when ever a new collective hive mind is created, the currently establishment will react and try to eliminate them. In a nutshell, the moment leftists Come into power they slowly change into reactionairies and conservatives.
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21 Nov 2017, 5:22 am
About the uranium deal...
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ush-for-us
Now you know why the media tries to distract you by constantly barraging you with trump BS.
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21 Nov 2017, 6:39 am
For the same reason that every news media source is slanted against the bubonic plague.
You never hear anything good about the bubonic plague in the news media.
And that's because every news media source on the planet is part of the of the global conspiracy (the global conspiracy BY Globalists) to suppress all public knowledge of the good aspects of bubonic plague .
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