Should we worry about racism towards white people?

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All racism is toxic. Just because the blacks are a lot more victimized does not mean it is ok for whites to be victimized because they are “Privileged” or to even things up.

IMHO it's just game theory playing itself out. If we're stupid enough to buy into what their bad actors are selling we deserve what we get. OTOH if we don't want to deserve it we shouldn't buy into it.

Who needs to be reminded of this? People of color, or white people? It seems that such reminders would only serve to cater to the feelings of white people, who, may not be racist, but who are not quite ready yet to stand as a true ally of people of color against racism.

In my younger days, I would have also felt the need to remind others, when talking about racism against black people (other minorities were typically not the subject of the discussion) that "not all white people" are racist, but this was because I was naive. I did not take into consideration the fact that, as minorities in the United States, black people, even in predominantly black areas, interact with white people on, often, a daily basis, and have likely encountered a number of non-racist white people in their life that they know not to be racist. I think they didn't need me schooling them on the fact that non-racist white people exist. I think doing so would have come across as condescending, self serving, and derailing.

These days, if a non-white person starts talking about the racism they have experienced with me, I don't feel threatened by it or as if they are demonizing me. I listen and tell them how horrible I think it is that they were subjected to that, I'm sorry this country has such an unfortunate history of racism that continues to persist to this day. This is not because I am white and feel I should be responsible for things other white people did before I existed, but because I am truly horrified by the institution of racism in this country and the idea of someone being treated so poorly because of their race.

Are there people out there who think all white people are racist? Probably. But I think there are more white people who can't have a conservation about racism against minorities without feeling like they are being blamed for it, and to that end, I think those individuals need to educate themselves more on racism against minorities, and how they can be an ally rather than an obstacle to talking about these issues.

There's an interesting reason why East Indians are listed as white on many documents. Not only did a category specifically for East Indians not exist in those days, but many East Indians identified as Aryan, and Aryan was a term later adopted to refer to white people. At this time, East Indians in the U.S., as well as other non-whites, were legally excluded from the right to naturalized citizenship, as well as other prospects. By the relational chain that East Indians were Aryan and Aryan meant white, an East Indian man named Bhagat Singh Thind petitioned the court to formally be considered white. The judge acknowledged that East Indians were indeed Aryan and Aryan was indeed a term used to refer to white people, but despite this, he could not reasonably rule that East Indians were white.

The case is United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind

"Educating" people not to be racist, will achieve nothing but the opposite. People do not want to be lectured.

I wholeheartedly believe, that groups like black lives matter, and other "social justice" groups, are the reason groups like the alt right came to be. And they keep pushing people who are on the edge, over to that side.

It just strikes me as incredibly narcissistic, when white people go around preaching to other white people not to be racist, just like when male feminist try to preach to other men how to behave in regards to women. I don't need other people to tell me how to think, and I'm sure a lot of reasonable and level headed people, who are neither racist nor sexist feel that way.

I think we would be 10 times better off, if people started by taking responsibility for their own behavior, and then lead by example, instead of rushing out in the world to tell others how to think and behave.

I don't see this social justice thing working out, ever.

The "alt-right" existed long before Black Lives Matter and other "social justice" groups. Here is a photo from an early alt-right meeting. At the time, they were technically "alt-left", as these groups aligned with the democratic party before the civil rights movement and the defection of Strom Thurmond to the republican party.

I didn't say racism didn't exist before black lives matter.

I am saying, that the reason white supremacy groups are having an renaissance at the moment, is because of the rise of social justice.

These people have existed since someone decided they had a right to oppress someone else. They have just come out of their holes because they feel their status is being threatened.

If I am not mistaken, Albanians were mixed with the Turks - Albania was the most loyal nation to the Ottoman empire, probably due to common religion AND blood relations.

Unlike the Arabs, who allied with the Allies the moment they got the chance just to get rid of the Ottomans. Historically, the Ottomans failed to assimilate the Arab cultures , despite the common religion.

The KKK were never the "Alt-Left". The Democratic Party was originally a right-wing party. It was started by Andrew Jackson.

The KKK have never been left-wing in any way. They were originally pro-slavery. They have always been Christians who reject evolution and also reject LGBT acceptance. They have always been pro-capitalist as well. They also oppose gun control.

If you read about history, you'll realize that the vast majority of racists have always been right-wing. In the past, a few racists have had left leanings, but this is extremely rare.

One example of a racist with left leanings was Gregor Strasser. Strasser was killed by Hitler almost immediately because of Strasser's left leanings. Today, If you mention Strasser on an alt-right hate site, they will usually dismiss you as a naïve socialist. Source: I actually tried this.

If you actually spend time on these alt-right hate sites as a social experiment, you will clearly see that most of them are hostile towards any left-leaning idea.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Well, you have this:




This is the ethnic questionnaire used in the 2011 census in England by Office for National Statistics .

As you can see, officially, the official English mindset considers all Europeans as "Whites" - while non-Europeans as something else despite even if they have a white skin.

As you can see, "Arab" is not considered White there, despite most Arabs have caucasians features, Syrian Arabs in particular, especially from Aleppo, have a lot of blondes and blue eyed. And I have seen many Pakistani who are very pale.

Anyway 'Arab' is a linguistic group, Egyptians for instance are considered Arabs because they speak Arabic, North Sudaneses consider themselves Arabs as well and they're clearly not whites, the true "Arabian" ethnicity are only the peoples of the Gulf. Not all Mexicans are considered Spaniards just because they speak Spanish, some are European descendants while others are from native peoples.

I've noticed that science is barely being mentioned in this thread.

We all need to remember that the concept of racial equality is largely a product of scientific research. The modern "social justice movement" is unpopular because they never say why racism is wrong.

"But the most weighty of all the arguments against treating the races of man as distinct species, is that they graduate into each other, independently in many cases, as far as we can judge, of their having intercrossed. Man has been studied more carefully than any other animal, and yet there is the greatest possible diversity amongst capable judges whether he should be classed as a single species or race, or as two (Virey), as three (Jacquinot), as four (Kant), five (Blumenbach), six (Buffon), seven (Hunter), eight (Agassiz), eleven (Pickering), fifteen (Bory de St-Vincent), sixteen (Desmoulins), twenty-two (Morton), sixty (Crawfurd), or as sixty-three, according to Burke."
- Charles Darwin

We already have science on our side. Why not use it?

I'm not a political scientist by any means and the idea of a left right axis in politics originates in France and has a winding path to it's application in modern U.S. politics, but the democratic party was historically the party of the racists and anti-abolitionists in the south. These southern democrats were called "dixicrats". The republican party was historically pro small government and personal freedoms and pro-abolitionist. This changed during the civil rights movement when the democratic party took an anti-segregation stance and sought to end Jim Crowe laws in the south. This provoked Strom Thurmond to defect to the republican party, and in doing so, his constituents followed en mass.

Maybe, but if you look at Europe now, the reason why Christian Right wing is on the rise, and winning positions in politics, is undoubtedly a reaction against the muslim immigration, Islamism, Islamic terrorism, and the many incidents perpetrated by some Muslims or Islamist groups. You can't deny the cause and effect here.