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14 Aug 2009, 9:16 am

In today's installment of Know Your Enemy, we take a closer look at Douglas Coe. Spiritual advisor to the American political stars, miracles and controversy follow this individual wherever he goes.


Douglas E. Coe (born 1929) is the "First Brother" and leader of the Fellowship Foundation, which is also known as The Family and International Foundation. Coe was born, raised and educated in Oregon, and is a graduate of Willamette University, where he met future Senator and Fellowship member Mark O. Hatfield. Coe. who is married to his wife, Jan, and has three children, is not an ordained minister.

A former banker, Coe became involved with Young Life, a campus youth ministry. In 1959 he joined The Family, and in 1969 he became its leader upon the death of Dr. Abraham Vereide. He was named one of the 25 most influential Evangelicals in America in 2005 by Time magazine. He is the father of David and Timothy Coe. D. Michael Lindsay, a Rice University sociologist, has stated that "there is no other organization like the Fellowship, especially among religious groups, in terms of its access or clout among the country's leadership." At the Fellowship's 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, President George H. W. Bush praised Coe for "quiet diplomacy, I wouldn't say secret diplomacy."

Coe has compared the Fellowship to the Mafia: "They keep their organization invisible. Everything visible is transitory. Everything invisible is permanent and lasts forever.The more you can make your organization invisible the more influence it will have. Jesus Christ, when he organizes, the way he puts the organization together he makes it invisible."

In sermons, Coe repeatedly demands a fanatical and personal commitment to Jesus Christ, which he has explained as "Jesus plus nothing." Coe compares the level of commitment necessary to the blind devotion that Adolf Hitler demanded from his disciples. His teachings also have referenced Vladimir Lenin and Mao Zedong as examples of dedication. Coe avoids publicity and has been cited as a spiritual advisor to many politicians, ranging from Hillary Clinton to Mark Sanford.

Coe arranged a meeting between Bob Mitchell, the President of Young Life, and Jay Kesler, the President of Youth for Christ, to a meeting at Fellowship House in Washington, D.C. on July 29, 1980, which led to the formation of Military Community Youth Ministries (MCYM).

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with Coe on many occasions as First Lady of the United States. According to NBC News, she participated in a prayer luncheon at The Cedars, the Fellowship's mansion in Arlington, Virginia in February 1993 and met privately with Coe in her West Wing office on December 19, 1997, and a “Meet & Greet with Business Leaders” on Feb. 4, 1998. Clinton has written that Doug Coe is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God." Doug Coe has been referred to as a friend and hero by former Senator and Vice President Al Gore.

In 2000, Coe met with top economic officials of Pakistan as a "special envoy" of Fellowship member Representative Joe Pitts. Coe and President George H.W. Bush hosted luncheon with Iraq's ambassador to the United States in the mid-1980s.

Coe was a member of the United States delegation which accompanied First Lady Hillary Clinton to the 1997 funeral of Mother Theresa.

Doug Coe is mentioned by John Ortberg in his book "If you want to walk on water you have to get out of the boat" as the pastor of a man, named only as 'Bob', who had great influence on bringing medicine and releasing political prisoners in Kenya.

On Real Time with Bill Maher, Jeff Sharlet recounted a discussion he had with Coe's son David. "Suppose I hear you rape three little girls. What would I think?" The man said he thought Coe would consider him awful and a monster. Coe said, "No. No I wouldn't because you're Chosen. As a member of The Family, you're Chosen and, when you're Chosen, the normal rules don't apply. Morality is for the little people."
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But of course you won't care because you ARE the little people and have no clue of what he's doing and what the true implications are.

That and you don't care to know your enemy because you'd rather live sheltered from reality.


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14 Aug 2009, 9:21 am

Coe is an evil and sick fu**ed up man.

But it is followers lusting after a guru that make the evil manifest.

The Pied Piper of Rot.

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14 Aug 2009, 10:02 am

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Coe is an evil and sick fu**ed up man.

But it is followers lusting after a guru that make the evil manifest.

The Pied Piper of Rot.

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If you look at what he's preaching, it's essentially a reversal of the noble lie.

He also messed up because his interpretation of a lack of shared morality fails to grasp the basic idea of social consequences for actions. Meaning that though there are many sick acts one can do, not all of them will leave a person with a twitch or other permanent scars. Acts of violence, however, do such a thing and damage society.

And who wants to rule over damaged goods?


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14 Aug 2009, 10:34 am

Oh, good grief.

This is a perfect example of political/religious spin in order to fulfill some sort of twisted agenda.

I lived in Washington DC for eight years, and I worked for the International Foundation - and I still have friends that live and work there. The Foundation itself is made up of about 200 organizations, and each has it's own employees, offices and accounting systems.

After the birth of my first child, I did some writing for Doug. He's just a normal person. He's not a guru, he's not a fanatic, he does not make demands of those around him, nor does he promote any sort of nazi-type allegiance. He doesn't have followers, lol.

He tends to work 'out of sight', not to be covert, but to follow the Biblical principle found in Matthew 6:1:

Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them...

In terms of being out of touch with reality, DC is a world unto itself. He's no more or less sheltered than anyone else who lives and works there.

What you've written is slanderous nonsense.



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14 Aug 2009, 3:58 pm

*glances at skafather84, and then at studentM*

I don't know what the hell to think. :?

How about some links, skafather84?


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14 Aug 2009, 5:45 pm

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/03/857959.aspx

NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:10 PM ET
Filed Under: Politics

By Andrea Mitchell and Jim Popkin, NBC News


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In his preaching, Coe repeatedly urges a personal commitment to Jesus Christ. It’s a commitment Coe compares to the blind devotion that Adolph Hitler demanded from his followers -- a rhetorical technique that now is drawing sharp criticism.

"Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler were three men. Think of the immense power these three men had, these nobodies from nowhere,” Coe said.

Later in the sermon, Coe said: "Jesus said, ‘You have to put me before other people. And you have to put me before yourself.' Hitler, that was the demand to be in the Nazi party. You have to put the Nazi party and its objectives ahead of your own life and ahead of other people."

Coe also quoted Jesus and said: “One of the things [Jesus] said is 'If any man comes to me and does not hate his father, mother, brother, sister, his own life, he can't be a disciple.’ So I don't care what other qualifications you have, if you don't do that you can't be a disciple of Christ."

The sermons are little surprise to writer Jeff Sharlet. He lived among Coe's followers six years ago, and came out troubled by their secrecy and rhetoric.

“We were being taught the leadership lessons of Hitler, Lenin and Mao. And I would say, ‘Isn’t there a problem with that?’ And they seemed perplexed by the question. Hitler’s genocide wasn’t really an issue for them. It was the strength that he emulated,” said Sharlet, who is a Contributing Editor at Rolling Stone and is an Associate Research Scholar at the NYU Center for Religion and Media in New York.

Sharlet has now written about The Fellowship, also known to insiders as The Family, in a soon-to-be published book called “The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power.”

“They’re notoriously secretive,” Sharlet said. “In fact, they jokingly call themselves the Christian Mafia. Which becomes less of a joke when you realize that they really are dedicated to being what they call an invisible organization.”



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14 Aug 2009, 6:30 pm

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Oh, good grief.

This is a perfect example of political/religious spin in order to fulfill some sort of twisted agenda.

I lived in Washington DC for eight years, and I worked for the International Foundation - and I still have friends that live and work there. The Foundation itself is made up of about 200 organizations, and each has it's own employees, offices and accounting systems.

After the birth of my first child, I did some writing for Doug. He's just a normal person. He's not a guru, he's not a fanatic, he does not make demands of those around him, nor does he promote any sort of nazi-type allegiance. He doesn't have followers, lol.

He tends to work 'out of sight', not to be covert, but to follow the Biblical principle found in Matthew 6:1:

Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them...

In terms of being out of touch with reality, DC is a world unto itself. He's no more or less sheltered than anyone else who lives and works there.

What you've written is slanderous nonsense.


a) I wrote nothing, others did the writing for me.

b) Your interpretation of Matthew 6:1 is entirely off-base. "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them". What that means is one shouldn't do altruistic deeds for the intent of being noticed for doing good deeds. IE, the motive behind the deeds matters too. You're misinterpreting scripture to justify questionable actions. It's exactly what Coe thinks of you too...you're a little person who wants their world to be a certain way and so he grants it to you: the noble lie told to the commoner to believe that their leaders are doing the best for everyone rather than for a few.


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14 Aug 2009, 7:37 pm

skafather84 wrote:
a) I wrote nothing, others did the writing for me.


I stand corrected - you're repeating slander.

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b) Your interpretation of Matthew 6:1 is entirely off-base. "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them". What that means is one shouldn't do altruistic deeds for the intent of being noticed for doing good deeds. IE, the motive behind the deeds matters too. You're misinterpreting scripture to justify questionable actions. It's exactly what Coe thinks of you too...you're a little person who wants their world to be a certain way and so he grants it to you: the noble lie told to the commoner to believe that their leaders are doing the best for everyone rather than for a few.


No, what you've stated as your interpretation is my interpretation also. The International Foundation stays away from the press because, just as you stated, 'one shouldn't do altruistic deeds for the intent of being noticed for doing good deeds'.

Of course the motives behind the deeds matter! And I have first-hand knowledge of what those motives are. Do you?

I just called a friend of mine in Arlington, who's very involved with the Foundation, to ask about Doug's quotes and also about Jeff Sharlet.

Regarding Mr. Sharlet - he was a reporter. He lied about who he was in order to live in one of the houses run for young men to 'collect his evidence'. He got bits and pieces, which he took out of context and he wrote his story.

Anyone can make another look bad if that's their goal. Mr. Sharlet knew that he wanted a provocative article before he met anyone associated with the International Foundation, and that's exactly what he wrote. He had an agenda.

I, on the other hand, lived with these people, I worked with them, socialized with them - face to face, with no ulterior motives. So I'm not posting an article written by someone else. I was there, and I am offering my viewpoint, which is that what is being said about Doug and the International Foundation is nothing more than sensationalism. What I'm trying to add to this thread is a little bit of balance - and I'll be the first to admit that it's only my small, subjective view.

I also asked about the references to Hiter, and my friend gave me her father-in-law's cell number (he's known Doug for over 40 years) and said he would know the exact context of those specific quotes. So, I called an left a message for him, and after I talk to him, I'll post his explanation.



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14 Aug 2009, 7:43 pm

Interesting read. Seems mister Coe has a deranged political agenda... If political elites in the USA consider him a "friend", we've identified the reason why things are going the way they are in the country. =P



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14 Aug 2009, 7:47 pm

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Of course the motives behind the deeds matter! And I have first-hand knowledge of what those motives are. Do you?



The only motives you know first hand are your own. Anything else is inference or guesswork.

Neither you nor anyone else has mental telepathy.

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14 Aug 2009, 8:10 pm

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The only motives you know first hand are your own. Anything else is inference or guesswork.

Neither you nor anyone else has mental telepathy.

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Yes, it's true that I don't know what goes on in the heart of another person, but in the NT world, the motives of people come out in their words and actions - which one is able to witness first-hand.

I'm not going to play word games with you, I think you know the point I was making. I worked in DC with the man and institution in question. The original poster, who's encouraging readers to 'know your enemy', did not.



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14 Aug 2009, 10:44 pm

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Yes, it's true that I don't know what goes on in the heart of another person, but in the NT world, the motives of people come out in their words and actions - which one is able to witness first-hand.

I'm not going to play word games with you, I think you know the point I was making. I worked in DC with the man and institution in question. The original poster, who's encouraging readers to 'know your enemy', did not

How much had you worked with him? You can't recognize a "fanatic" only by frequenting him. They living with a public façade.

phil777 wrote:
Interesting read. Seems mister Coe has a deranged political agenda... If political elites in the USA consider him a "friend", we've identified the reason why things are going the way they are in the country. =P


Ce n'est pas pour rien qu'on a sortis le clergé du parlement de Québec. :wink:



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14 Aug 2009, 11:18 pm

well, he's dang near 80, so he won't be doing much for much longer.

If you're worried about evangelicals, take a look at the Air Force University in Colorado.



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ruveyn wrote:
The only motives you know first hand are your own. Anything else is inference or guesswork.

Neither you nor anyone else has mental telepathy.

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Yes, it's true that I don't know what goes on in the heart of another person, but in the NT world, the motives of people come out in their words and actions - which one is able to witness first-hand.

I'm not going to play word games with you, I think you know the point I was making. I worked in DC with the man and institution in question. The original poster, who's encouraging readers to 'know your enemy', did not.


I'm taking the word of an investigative journalist who infiltrated the family's infrastructure and witnessed such things firsthand.

He (the investigative journalist) has everything to lose because libel is a legal standard.

By the way, I'm copying someone else's LIBEL.

Slander is spoken.


http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fun ... 082&sr=8-1

^Haven't seen any legal action taken yet and I know that the family has more money and political backing than the publisher.


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15 Aug 2009, 3:37 am

studentM wrote:

Yes, it's true that I don't know what goes on in the heart of another person, but in the NT world, the motives of people come out in their words and actions - which one is able to witness first-hand.



Wrong! You have heard of acting and lying, have you not?

All you know are your own motives and you might even be fooling yourself.

Anything not known first hand is either inference or hearsay.

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