How the USA is regarded from the rest of the world

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30 Jun 2012, 11:12 pm

especially since the worlds stealthiest sub is german in origin, the italian navy has half a dozen as well.

PEM cell powered propulsion that makes less noise than that of a standard hunter killer when drifting is quite a force to be reckoned with, that it can stay submerged for 3 weeks in that state is quite a feat for a non nuclear sub as well.
a non magnetic hull makes even the american trumph card for anti sub warfare mute, the MAD detector (what was heralded as the end of large scale sub operations)
even active sonar is virtually useless against it and it(revolutionary hull geometry, use of acoustic absorbtion both by material and cavities) amde quite a stir when the first one was revealed.
couple this with drone capabilities on the newest generation and i bet they are more than a match for any carrier group when using wolfpack tactics, they dont even need a seperate airforce to be able to scout out and obtain detailed intel.


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30 Jun 2012, 11:15 pm

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It looks like a giant target to me


It's pretty much invulnerable. Google it. Rather unique construction. It's more or less immune to torpedoes or shells.

Only problem is it probably melts. :lol:



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30 Jun 2012, 11:24 pm

edgewaters wrote:
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It looks like a giant target to me


It's pretty much invulnerable. Google it. Rather unique construction. It's more or less immune to torpedoes or shells.

Only problem is it probably melts. :lol:


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It's pretty much invulnerable. Google it. Rather unique construction. It's more or less immune to torpedoes or shells.


Probably what they said about the Scharnhorst......



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01 Jul 2012, 12:04 am

edgewaters wrote:
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It looks like a giant target to me


It's pretty much invulnerable. Google it. Rather unique construction. It's more or less immune to torpedoes or shells.

Only problem is it probably melts. :lol:


Oh yeah, it was made of pykrete eh? The German answer would have been bombers armed with giant magnifying glasses :lol:


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01 Jul 2012, 12:15 am

now that would have merit because of tis comedic effect alone :lol:


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01 Jul 2012, 12:17 am

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I would like to see your country pick on someone who can actually fight back. Most of your wars seem to be the equivalent of Georges St. Pierre taking on the puppets from Fraggle Rock. The Spartans would laugh.


There is only one country that fits that description --- Mainland China. And we are not going to war with them. They buy U.S. government paper and keep the U.S. afloat. We buy the stuff they make. That is the quid pro quo


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Get rid of nukes and the MAD threat and it wouldn't even be close. Do you know how much we still outspend China by? In terms of per-capita military spending the US is more like North Korea than any other developed nation (only we still have the worlds largest GDP, not a bunch of starving peasants)

That's not to say the US wouldn't completely obliterate itself economically and die a slow war of attrition if it tried to pull a Germany or Japan and started randomly charging into countries like China. I think we'd cave faster than the Axis powers did when the allied carpet bombings arrived. The US has no experience of being decimated from the air.



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01 Jul 2012, 7:01 am

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I would like to see your country pick on someone who can actually fight back. Most of your wars seem to be the equivalent of Georges St. Pierre taking on the puppets from Fraggle Rock. The Spartans would laugh.


Well, the Vietnamese kicked our butts.


No, public opinion shaped by the liberal media and a wussified Washington is what kicked our butts.
Same problem we still have, unfortunately.....
A FULL commitment of even conventional force back then would have brought as much of Southeast Asia as we wanted under our boot heel before the hippies ever knew what they should be protesting.


Ah yes, the American Dolchstoßlegende.


Exactly! Plenty of parallels with Germany.

The Vietnamese just couldn't be defeated. They beat the French, the Americans, the Chinese, the Cambodians....They're tough. Living in underground tunnels, with napalm raining down upon them. The Americans dropped more bombs on Vietnam than they did during all of WWII, and still couldn't win.


Try googling "Dolchstoßlegende" first so you know what you're talking about..........


Um, my second paragraph was not intended as supporting material for my first paragraph.



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01 Jul 2012, 7:02 am

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If that's all your nation is worth, what happens when you can't afford those anymore?

If that meant anything in and of itself, the Soviets would still be around. They had loads of gear. It's all rusting somewhere now. Never helped them.


If we have to, then we will sell Texas to China. Anything to keep those things afloat.


Are you sure we would sell Texas? California seems like a better deal. Eliminate all our debt for that.


Yes, at least Texas is an asset to the country.


Not really.



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01 Jul 2012, 5:39 pm

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Get rid of nukes and the MAD threat and it wouldn't even be close. Do you know how much we still outspend China by? In terms of per-capita military spending the US is more like North Korea than any other developed nation (only we still have the worlds largest GDP, not a bunch of starving peasants)

That's not to say the US wouldn't completely obliterate itself economically and die a slow war of attrition if it tried to pull a Germany or Japan and started randomly charging into countries like China. I think we'd cave faster than the Axis powers did when the allied carpet bombings arrived. The US has no experience of being decimated from the air.


That is nonsense. About 3/4 of China's population is impoverished. About 1/4 of the U.S. is impoverished and there is no danger of starvation in the U.S. On the contrary, our problem is too much food and its consequence, obesity.

In North Korea a large part of the population is radically undernourished and in want.

Your problem is you expect the U.S. to be perfect. It can't be. We have a stupid, inept, base and incompetent government.

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01 Jul 2012, 6:32 pm

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That is nonsense. About 3/4 of China's population is impoverished. About 1/4 of the U.S. is impoverished and there is no danger of starvation in the U.S. On the contrary, our problem is too much food and its consequence, obesity.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/32800.php



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01 Jul 2012, 7:58 pm

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The US? The world's best hope, gone ill and become everything it was the hope against. The great anti-imperialist power, become an imperialist. The optimistic society become a force for cynicism in the world. An economic powerhouse generating wealth at a global level, become a failing, predatory, vampire economy.


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Criticise this, world.
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Plenty more where that came from, too.........
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Your country used to have the best people in the world back when it was founded. People like Jefferson are worth 50000 Jesus.

But it has been doing downhill since then.

If the best you can brag about now is a carrier, well, you are making little Jefferson cry.

And Texas is really destroying your image in the world. I mean, would you like me to talk about the textbooks who use Nessie as a proof that creationism is true?


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01 Jul 2012, 8:24 pm

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Your country used to have the best people in the world back when it was founded. People like Jefferson are worth 50000 Jesus.



Jesus neither owned for f*cked a slave. The same cannot be said of Jefferson.

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01 Jul 2012, 8:29 pm

To be honest, North Korea is not a military threat to anyone. They're just a diplomatic threat, and even that will only last as long as China's current generation of leaders lasts. Relatively speaking, North Korea spends a lot of money on the military. But what does that mean? Their technology is ancient, they can't properly launch a rocket, there are constant power failures throughout the country, and South Korea spends more in absolute terms and has modern technology.

Should they try to launch a nuclear missile, if they had a functioning one, it would probably explode somewhere above Pyongyang. North Korea is China's mentally-challenged cousin, constantly under surveillance not because he's a threat to others, but because he would be stupid enough to accidentally get himself killed.



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02 Jul 2012, 12:24 am

When I met my husband's aunt (Irish), she gave me a puzzled look and said to him, "She's awfully quiet, for an American". I got the impression everyone expected me to be mouthy and obnoxious and wear a cowboy hat. Not me at all.



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02 Jul 2012, 2:32 am

ruveyn wrote:
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Your country used to have the best people in the world back when it was founded. People like Jefferson are worth 50000 Jesus.



Jesus neither owned for f*cked a slave. The same cannot be said of Jefferson.

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Yeah that's true. He knew it was wrong, too. He said so. The worst part is ... he kept them anyway, to fund his exorbitant lifestyle, and to fulfill his sexual urges. And died with a huge debt nonetheless because of his luxurious and aristocratic habits. The guy liked to spend waaay more than he could possibly fund with his own talents and labour, and made his slaves and creditors cover it all. An exploitative deadbeat. He talked a fine talk, but never walked the walk.

Still, ideas don't depend on who said them for their validity, and he had some fairly decent ones.