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FlyingAeroplane
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19 Apr 2010, 4:02 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Let me guess - would I be right to place money on a good chunk of the same people on this thread who moan about Clinton also feel that Autism Speaks et al should be gagged.


I don't even know anything about Autism Speaks but I'm not too involved in the whole "community" so whatever.

Maybe you are the exception on this thread then.
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I don't have an issue with Clinton saying stay civil, it's just the whole systematic attack by the left trying to tie the Tea Parties with violence and extremism. It's just not based in reality. It's being done to scare people away from the movement and to shut them up.

The far right in America are insane by most of the world's standards. Even Putin is far more liberal. Asides, if people are scared off by his remarks - well they are responsible for their own actions, right. By your argument anyway...
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I also take issue with the whole notion of words = actions too. People are responsible for their own actions not any one else. Nobody is actually advocating violence.

I used to take this line - but as I have grown older I have seen the fallacy in it. It gives people far too much credit, in reality most people are, for want of a better word, stupid. Something which is especially true in politics...



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22 Apr 2010, 3:21 am

The only issue I have with this statement is the subtle implication that only angry right wing rhetoric leads to violence, when historically it seems equally likely to come from either side. This is sort of vintage Clinton clever; no one can really complain about Bill's call to be reasonable, while at the same time Clinton is suggesting that supporters of his political opponents are potential extremists and that the slightest encouragement of them could lead to violence.

That being said I can't even really get too worked up about this, if anything I can admire the master's light touch, it's almost refreshing in the current political climate. That, and I can't complain too much if the people in power are starting to actually be afraid of the consequences of their actions, a little fear among the politicians isn't entirely a bad thing.


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22 Apr 2010, 8:23 am

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We can tell certain leaders who are inciting violence that the extremes they go to in their rhetoric is a bad idea. This doesn't mean censoring them. Clinton only seemed to want to impress upon the right-wing leaders and pundits that their words are very influential and should be chosen carefully and responsibly. As I explicitly stated, I don't believe there should be any legal repercussions for them if they continue their overblown rhetoric, but other people are allowed to encourage them to exercise some modicum of restraint.


I agree. We are free to express opinions (except in the military).

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22 Apr 2010, 9:12 pm

Dox47 wrote:
The only issue I have with this statement is the subtle implication that only angry right wing rhetoric leads to violence, when historically it seems equally likely to come from either side.

Really? After the Vietnam era, domestic terrorism in the US has been pretty much exclusively a right-wing phenomenon. Given that we live in the present and Clinton was talking about the present, I don't see that as an unfair thing to imply. Obstructionists in the Republican party have not received death threats. Left-wingers are not telling their followers to throw bricks through the windows of their political opponents, and they are not stockpiling weapons or threatening (implicitly or explicitly) violence against the government.


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22 Apr 2010, 10:20 pm

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Dox47 wrote:
The only issue I have with this statement is the subtle implication that only angry right wing rhetoric leads to violence, when historically it seems equally likely to come from either side.

Really? After the Vietnam era, domestic terrorism in the US has been pretty much exclusively a right-wing phenomenon. Given that we live in the present and Clinton was talking about the present, I don't see that as an unfair thing to imply. Obstructionists in the Republican party have not received death threats. Left-wingers are not telling their followers to throw bricks through the windows of their political opponents, and they are not stockpiling weapons or threatening (implicitly or explicitly) violence against the government.


You're talking about extremely small minority of the right here. There is definitely radical end of the left and they rear their ugly head every once in a while like at the WTO and G20 meetings and the DNC and RNC conventions. Funny that you mention throwing bricks throw windows since that's exactly what they do. Eco-terrorism causes millions of dollars of damage every year. Obama's "purple shirts" SEIU and other union thugs have been trying to intimidate dissenters since he took the presidency. They didn't even prosecute those Black Panthers in Philly for obvious voter intimidation even tho Bush's justice department had nearly finished the case and they were ready to pea. Joe Stack, that guy who crashed his plane ended his life with the communist creed. I think the potential for violence is there for both sides, it only takes one person obviously but the other 99% are completely in their right to be angry at the government for whatever the reason whether it be taxes or the war. They're afraid of losing their jobs and power over the people not their lives.