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23 Nov 2006, 11:44 pm

Jumping in... I'm Wiccan....

Malaclypse wrote:
Minerva wrote:
That would be due to the fact that Wicca didn't exist until around the 1950s, and most of the


Hmm, sure about that? I read in a book about magick that it's as old as Hermeticism and other systems, but I guess you mean when it was reintroduced by Gardner?


A few clarifications:

1) The Burning Times sucked, but actually had very little to do with Witchcraft. Furthermore, the death count of millions is a major exaggeration. It was based on some exceedingly dodgy statistical extrapolations. The exact death count is unknown and unknowable, but is generally estimated to be a few hundred thousand. Of those victims, few had anything to do with any form of Witchcraft. Mind you, they were accused of such, but the truth is that a vast majority of them were Christians. (It is interesting to note that one of the people executed as a Heretic was guilty of the unpardonable sin of translating the Bible into English.) Some of them were even executed for pointing out that the system was a little unbalanced. Suggesting anything other than execution == guilt meant that you were saying that the Holy Church made mistakes.

2) A ludicrous number of Wiccans are a) obnoxious and intolerant, b) self-righteous, c) delusional, or d) some combination of the three. The same can be said of any religion.

3) "Wicca", as introduced by Gardner, was created in the 1950's as a patchwork of many sources, including the Golden Dawn (of which Gardner was a member). Most modern practice of the religion bears almost no resemblance to the religion described by GBG in Witchcraft Today, unless you're talking to a Gardnerian or Alexandrian.

I myself am an eclectic Wiccan, which means that my beliefs are a patchwork of "Traditional" Wicca and about a billion other sources.



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30 Nov 2006, 11:58 am

heheh... I'm heavily obsessed with Germanic and Nordic paganism.



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30 Nov 2006, 4:06 pm

Ladysmokeater wrote:
can we keep this thread positive and not a bashing thread also, 'cause I really dont want the hassel. thanks!!
Well, I'd like to take this occassion to point out that the main reason the more dogmatic religions are attacked so often is that their adherents have a nasty habit of entering any discussion on the subject with the sole aim of bringing as many people as possible around to their own point of view, considering retaining the opinions they began the discussion with the only acceptable outcome. This is proper reason to kick them in the nads repeatedly until they pitch up everything they've eaten for the past two days. A Wiccan, on the other hand, is assumed to be more interested in personal growth, which is welcome anywhere, making them difficult not to like. Ahem...until, of course, you meet one who's just as dogmatic and annoying as the worst fundie you've ever known, in which case the earlier suggestion of violence applies.



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23 Dec 2006, 3:04 pm

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There's a little pagan in all of us. Celebrate Christmas or Easter? Guess what, you're a pagan. 8)
not true at all. i have read into this BS and it is BS!
i can post a long ass catholic rant about it. NO; i'm not a dambed catholic.



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23 Dec 2006, 3:06 pm

Scrapheap wrote:
Tequila wrote:
666 wrote:
Celebrate Christmas or Easter? Guess what, you're a pagan. 8)


So can you be a pagan if you only pretend to celebrate Christmas 'cause it's an excuse for a vast dinner? :P


Dec. 25 is the Roman Pagan holiday for winter solstice. Constatine the Great decided to celebrate the birth of Jesus on this day to supress paganisim. Most historians agree that Jesus (if he actually existed) was likely born in late spring or early summer.

The word easter comes from the pagan godess Eaoster. One of her exploits was turning a chicken into a rabbit (hence a bunny who brings eggs).


this is not so this is a lie that even some christians support again i can supply amply evidance this is incorrect. and this historian thing is not supported by facts eather.



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23 Dec 2006, 3:07 pm

Scrapheap wrote:
Ladysmokeater wrote:
Hey, I was wondering is the pagan/wicca/new age community represented here at all?


can we keep this thread positive and not a bashing thread also, 'cause I really dont want the hassel. thanks!!


I don't see christians as having a right to bash wicca a second time. They did it in te early dark ages and murdered millions of good people in the process. They still have'nt apologised or made repairations!! !
more bull shite and wicca is a new religion comrade. more crap..



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23 Dec 2006, 3:09 pm

Minerva wrote:
Aeriel wrote:
I don't see christians as having a right to bash wicca a second time. They did it in te early dark ages and murdered millions of good people in the process. They still have'nt apologised or made repairations!! !


That would be due to the fact that Wicca didn't exist until around the 1950s, and most of the amount of people prosecuted during the so-called burning times were not in the millions, and nearly all of them were in fact Christians. Anyone interested in the subject of witch persecutions should read this article-

http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2001/feature1.htm

While it does have a Catholic bias, it is much more historicly correct than most of Wiccan related sites online.


so true!



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23 Dec 2006, 3:10 pm

i am of the theory of gods grace. good pagans have it alot better then bad christians..