Who's the real ass? Bush vs. Obama

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The vitality of the system depends on the parts meeting by interacting in creative and dynamic ways. The Left Democrats can't even run a hotdog stand profitably but they might have some useful views on dealing with certain cultural problems in our society.

ruveyn

yes. too bad the current generation of republicans are by policy, dead-set against anything the democrats have to say or do, short of the democrats dropping off a cliff like lemmings. the democrats need pat moynihan to come back to life, and a political mouthpiece with [for example] neil kinnock's eloquence needs to step up to the plate and forcefully communicate what moynihan would say, to everybody else- PC be damned.

Although I don't think Obama's doing any better, this pic really sums up what I'm seeing much of with both the media and the majority of Americans.

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And the Republicans need Barry Goldwater and Robert Taft, but they are long dead.

ruveyn

the romantic in me wants to know what all of them would be thinking right now, about the state of things.

Goldwater would be disgusted at the amount of nation-building going on, he'd absolutely hate the colossal bulk that the national security areas have become, and he'd hate all the various bailouts that occurred to try and save "too big to fail" companies.

I don't think that even Goldwater would have had a choice as far as the bailouts are concerned. As soon as the liquidity market froze on August 9, 2007, the rest was a foregone conclusion. It took a year to come to fruition, but the end was inevitable.

In a modern, sophisticated economy government cannot allow that banking sector to collapse. Period.

The fallout from the failure of Lehman was ample demonstration that allowing even one player to fail has catastrophic effects on the rest of the system.

Now, the more important question is not whether or not the banks should have been rescued from their mistakes, but rather whether this can be prevented. Banks have done a great job in trying to persuade us that this is a recession like any other. But it's not. It was a failure in the liquidity market caused by a complete abdication of responsibility by Governments in the US and the UK for prudential supervision, and a complete failure of banks to exercise risk management that look outside the scope of their own balance sheets.

Still, if you are a politician, what incentive do you have to regulate the financial sector? After all, when you leave office, don't you want to sit on the board of a bank?

Because all the big players are were running the same scams and panicked when they realized their pants were down (from raping the world economy). It would have been much worse if they had actually been charged with fraud because then all those corrupt bankers would have collectively defecated themselves and screwed the market in the process.

They knew what they were doing was wrong but they thought they were smart enough to get away with it...apparently they were. Personally, I'd rather bite the bullet than be living on my knees to those scum.

The trick is not to take these things personally, disagreeing with someone's politics is no reason to dislike them as a person. My live in girlfriend is nearly diametrically opposed to me politically and we have some pretty serious political debates, but after we agree to disagree on certain points we still kiss and go to bed together, it's no big thing. Same thing with most of my friends, I'm an Aspie libertarian living in Seattle, most people I meet are not going to think like me on a variety of levels, I'd be a hermit if I had an ideological litmus test for friendship.

i wish i could function at your high level- having a signifigant other, big city residence and all. but i'm just a hermit out in the sticks for good cause. the reasons for my emotional outburst are for a lifetime of meekly putting-up with the following-

*right-wingers [referring to various GOP/TP/Libertarians/Conservative Party/grover norquist taxpayer party/social darwinists] calling me "dead weight" - "parasite" - "trailer trash" - et al;
*right-wingers telling me i deserve to suffer and die if i can't afford exorbitantly-priced private health insurance, or for being uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions;
*right wingers telling me i am bad for their families and bad for american society because i will never get married and have a family just like they do;
*right-wingers telling me i should have no right to vote because i am not a wealthy property owner [tom tancredo in a recent tea party speech];
*right-wingers telling me that only the little people like myself should have to pay taxes at all because they themselves are the only job-creators, and for thinking this "end user" is stupid enough to believe their garp as though spoken from on high;
*right-wingers telling me i am not worth even minimum-wage, that if they should deign to give me any job at all, it should be for pennies per hour;
*right-wingers reciting as a mantra, ad nauseum, "trickle-down" rather than "percolate up";
*right-wingers beating me over the head with useless horatio alger stories;
*right-wingers calling me "unamerican" for various silly reasons [being gay, voting democratic or green party, not having money, not being middle or upper-class, not being an entrepreneur, etc.].

in total, decades of being bullied and belittled and disenfranchised by right-wing types, due to the way god made me, over which i have no control, made me into the weepy lefty i am. nobody likes being bullied around. i want to go back into my hole now.

Bush and Obama are both New World Order pawns.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSS9PAAedXw[/youtube]

So, is he saying that he is going against the wishes of the people behind the curtain to win us some manufacturing jobs? TPTB don't want us to have the disproportionate foam hand making jobs?

I like when he says "They talk about me like a dog" the crowd claps and cheers lol.

When are we going to come across a new material that will lead to a 2nd industrial revolution? Well, I guess that even if it was there, it'd still be automated, so it doesn't matter.

The people behind the curtain aren't against us having manufacturing jobs. It's just that they want the jobs to be of the quality and hours of the Foxconn factory in China.

Agreed. Bush likely paid his way into the White House.

But hey, the Bush Blame got old during the 2008 primaries.

Bush, or should I say the real President, Dick Cheney.