Nation Once Again Comes Under Sway Of Pink-Faced Half-Wit
15 Sep 2010, 2:28 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Chevand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Chevand wrote:
Let's not parse words here. When you say "people", what you actually mean is a very specific demographic of people: WASPs, for the most part, right? The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, which has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance?
Have you ever visited America? I'm doubting the possibility that you may have.
Visited? I am an American. Said it in my post. Lived in New Jersey, Georgia, and Florida for a total of more than 20 years, before moving to Canada.
So, where did you ever develop the impression that "The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, [...] has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance"? Such has not been my experience, residing in Texas and Minnesota.
I don't know. Maybe it's a Southern thing, because that has been my experience, living in Georgia for 14 years. My family moved to north Georgia from New Jersey because my mother got transferred from her office job in Manhattan to the branch office in Atlanta. We ended up right in the heart of the Bible Belt. We might as well have been lepers, because that's how we were treated; we weren't affluent, we weren't Southern Baptist (or strongly religious at all), and we weren't Southerners. I never felt accepted in the South, even after moving to Florida to attend college. That's another reason I ultimately moved to BC: to get as far as I could away from the South. Say whatever you will about diversity and tolerance being overrated (and I'm sure you will, Hanotaux), but I have friends here who care about me and accept me for who I am, and I'm not constantly ostracized for being an outsider here-- and those are things I could never say when I lived in the South.
15 Sep 2010, 7:12 pm
Chevand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Chevand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Chevand wrote:
Let's not parse words here. When you say "people", what you actually mean is a very specific demographic of people: WASPs, for the most part, right? The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, which has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance?
Have you ever visited America? I'm doubting the possibility that you may have.
Visited? I am an American. Said it in my post. Lived in New Jersey, Georgia, and Florida for a total of more than 20 years, before moving to Canada.
So, where did you ever develop the impression that "The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, [...] has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance"? Such has not been my experience, residing in Texas and Minnesota.
I don't know. Maybe it's a Southern thing, because that has been my experience, living in Georgia for 14 years. My family moved to north Georgia from New Jersey because my mother got transferred from her office job in Manhattan to the branch office in Atlanta. We ended up right in the heart of the Bible Belt. We might as well have been lepers, because that's how we were treated; we weren't affluent, we weren't Southern Baptist (or strongly religious at all), and we weren't Southerners. I never felt accepted in the South, even after moving to Florida to attend college. That's another reason I ultimately moved to BC: to get as far as I could away from the South. Say whatever you will about diversity and tolerance being overrated (and I'm sure you will, Hanotaux), but I have friends here who care about me and accept me for who I am, and I'm not constantly ostracized for being an outsider here-- and those are things I could never say when I lived in the South.
Is Texas not considered part of the South also though? I was born in a suburb of Dallas, and after my dad lost his job at a printing company on the basis of his skillsets becoming obsolete with the use of computer automation of the tasks he did manually, we then moved from a nice town home into a mobile home where my dad lived the last few years of his life working as a journeyman plumber prior to his death by lung cancer in 1999. My birth father wasn't even a Christian until the last months before he died, didn't go to church of any type himself though he was willing to drop my mom, sister and myself off at church. Southern Baptist wasn't so much a popular brand of Christianity in Dallas when I lived there. Of the people who were Christian, most that I met anyway, were either Assembly of God or Nondenominational.
15 Sep 2010, 7:32 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Chevand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Chevand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Chevand wrote:
Let's not parse words here. When you say "people", what you actually mean is a very specific demographic of people: WASPs, for the most part, right? The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, which has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance?
Have you ever visited America? I'm doubting the possibility that you may have.
Visited? I am an American. Said it in my post. Lived in New Jersey, Georgia, and Florida for a total of more than 20 years, before moving to Canada.
So, where did you ever develop the impression that "The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, [...] has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance"? Such has not been my experience, residing in Texas and Minnesota.
I don't know. Maybe it's a Southern thing, because that has been my experience, living in Georgia for 14 years. My family moved to north Georgia from New Jersey because my mother got transferred from her office job in Manhattan to the branch office in Atlanta. We ended up right in the heart of the Bible Belt. We might as well have been lepers, because that's how we were treated; we weren't affluent, we weren't Southern Baptist (or strongly religious at all), and we weren't Southerners. I never felt accepted in the South, even after moving to Florida to attend college. That's another reason I ultimately moved to BC: to get as far as I could away from the South. Say whatever you will about diversity and tolerance being overrated (and I'm sure you will, Hanotaux), but I have friends here who care about me and accept me for who I am, and I'm not constantly ostracized for being an outsider here-- and those are things I could never say when I lived in the South.
Is Texas not considered part of the South also though? I was born in a suburb of Dallas, and after my dad lost his job at a printing company on the basis of his skillsets becoming obsolete with the use of computer automation of the tasks he did manually, we then moved from a nice town home into a mobile home where my dad lived the last few years of his life working as a journeyman plumber prior to his death by lung cancer in 1999. My birth father wasn't even a Christian until the last months before he died, didn't go to church of any type himself though he was willing to drop my mom, sister and myself off at church. Southern Baptist wasn't so much a popular brand of Christianity in Dallas when I lived there. Of the people who were Christian, most that I met anyway, were either Assembly of God or Nondenominational.
It's true that Texas was part of the Confederacy, and some would consider it part of the South. I think, though, there are some Texans who'd dispute that. It's such a large and diverse state (I wouldn't consider El Paso part of the Deep South, for example), and throughout its history I know a lot of people have considered it it's own entity. After all, it was a sovereign nation, the Republic of Texas, before it was ever part of the United States or the Confederacy, and there are some Texans who feel a stronger connection to Texas itself than to the U.S. or the South.
16 Sep 2010, 3:43 am
why? 'Keet has been following this thread; if he can't figure out the place the discussion has been about up to this point, then he needs to re-read the thread. I don't owe him an explanation for a lack of understanding that is based on his own lack of reading comprehension.
On the other hand, if he (or you) mean something other than exactly what you say (especially in threads that are have been serious up to the point that you post), you need to keep in mind that this is a forum for Aspies and we expect people to say what they mean. If you are being metaphorical or generalizing or being sarcastic, simple tags like, ''in general," or "examples include, but are not limited to, x," or pseudo-html tags like "{sarcasm}...{/sarcasm}" can go a long way.
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16 Sep 2010, 9:39 am
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16 Sep 2010, 11:39 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
LKL wrote:
The fact that all WASPs are not affluent and in power does not contradict the hypothesis that most of the people who were affluent and in power have historically been WASPs.
Where?
You're kidding? 43.5/44 US Presidents so far have been white. 43/44 have been at least nominally Protestant (perhaps 42 if you want to exclude Jefferson whose religious status is questionable) and 44/44 have been Christian. The overwhelming majority of governors, senators, and congressmen are, and have historically been, white anglo-Saxon Protestants. Virtually all high-paid corporate executives are white. Franky, claiming that WASPs are not in control in America is nothing short of delusional. You are simply numerically wrong.
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16 Sep 2010, 12:23 pm
Orwell wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
LKL wrote:
The fact that all WASPs are not affluent and in power does not contradict the hypothesis that most of the people who were affluent and in power have historically been WASPs.
Where?
You're kidding? 43.5/44 US Presidents so far have been white. 43/44 have been at least nominally Protestant (perhaps 42 if you want to exclude Jefferson whose religious status is questionable) and 44/44 have been Christian. The overwhelming majority of governors, senators, and congressmen are, and have historically been, white anglo-Saxon Protestants. Virtually all high-paid corporate executives are white. Franky, claiming that WASPs are not in control in America is nothing short of delusional. You are simply numerically wrong.
Ah, so it's only America you all are talking about? So what of the all other nations in the world throughout actual recorded history? Were they also the All Despised White Anglo Saxon Protestants that everyone keeps going on to a sickening degree about how such people are inherently evil?
16 Sep 2010, 12:51 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
LKL wrote:
The fact that all WASPs are not affluent and in power does not contradict the hypothesis that most of the people who were affluent and in power have historically been WASPs.
Where?
You're kidding? 43.5/44 US Presidents so far have been white. 43/44 have been at least nominally Protestant (perhaps 42 if you want to exclude Jefferson whose religious status is questionable) and 44/44 have been Christian. The overwhelming majority of governors, senators, and congressmen are, and have historically been, white anglo-Saxon Protestants. Virtually all high-paid corporate executives are white. Franky, claiming that WASPs are not in control in America is nothing short of delusional. You are simply numerically wrong.
Ah, so it's only America you all are talking about? So what of the all other nations in the world throughout actual recorded history? Were they also the All Despised White Anglo Saxon Protestants that everyone keeps going on to a sickening degree about how such people are inherently evil?
You somehow missed the fact that this whole thread has been specifically about America?
All of modern history (about 1200AD onwards) has been dominated by white Europeans. And where are you getting this ridiculous notion that whites are despised or inherently evil?
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16 Sep 2010, 12:56 pm
Orwell wrote:
And where are you getting this ridiculous notion that whites are despised or inherently evil?
Race card. Whenever such things about the WASP's are pointed out, the major defense is essentially a kind of racist reductio ad absurdum. "Oh, so all white people are evil and should feel guilty for oppressing everyone else?"
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16 Sep 2010, 1:02 pm
skafather84 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
And where are you getting this ridiculous notion that whites are despised or inherently evil?
Race card. Whenever such things about the WASP's are pointed out, the major defense is essentially a kind of racist reductio ad absurdum. "Oh, so all white people are evil and should feel guilty for oppressing everyone else?"
Well, such is no different from what other people do. A race card is often played out by others in this nation in particular who use it to claim discrimination against them when none was intended. White Anglo Saxon Protestants ought to have the freedom to play the race card just as much as anyone else who keeps bringing up years that have long gone by as a means of demanding attention. Oh, and for the record, I'm not Anglo-Saxon, but primarily Franco-Celtic with some amount of American Indian and a goodly variety of other tribes of humankind.
16 Sep 2010, 1:04 pm
Orwell wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
LKL wrote:
The fact that all WASPs are not affluent and in power does not contradict the hypothesis that most of the people who were affluent and in power have historically been WASPs.
Where?
You're kidding? 43.5/44 US Presidents so far have been white. 43/44 have been at least nominally Protestant (perhaps 42 if you want to exclude Jefferson whose religious status is questionable) and 44/44 have been Christian. The overwhelming majority of governors, senators, and congressmen are, and have historically been, white anglo-Saxon Protestants. Virtually all high-paid corporate executives are white. Franky, claiming that WASPs are not in control in America is nothing short of delusional. You are simply numerically wrong.
Ah, so it's only America you all are talking about? So what of the all other nations in the world throughout actual recorded history? Were they also the All Despised White Anglo Saxon Protestants that everyone keeps going on to a sickening degree about how such people are inherently evil?
You somehow missed the fact that this whole thread has been specifically about America?
All of modern history (about 1200AD onwards) has been dominated by white Europeans. And where are you getting this ridiculous notion that whites are despised or inherently evil?
This thread, yes, the onion quote has to do with this nation in particular. How about prior to 1200 AD? As long as proponents of racism against WASPs keep dragging up the past, lets drag it all up and make generalizations from everywhere so that all grudges of the past may continue ad infinitum.
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