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17 Sep 2010, 8:36 am

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How many Russian Premiers have been white? How many kings of Nubia have been black? How many ruler's in Japan have been Japanese? How many British Prime Ministers have been white? How many ... etc. It's a matter of voting for the person you think is best. I voted for McCain, and not Obama. Not because Obama is black but because he's a Democrat and all he seems to be good at is campaigning. Prior to my coming of voting age, there was a Republican candidate who was black in one of the primaries during the 90's. He seemed like he might have been okay. Heck, if Mr. T. were running for office, I'd vote for him. Not because he's black, but because he'd pity you foo's. :P

Whites hold a disproportionately large amount of power in America. The US is about 10% black, but just 1.2% of Presidents have been black, and the Senate is currently 1% black. Blacks and Hispanics are similarly underrepresented in other positions of power, wealth, and authority.

Now, before someone misconstrues my comments, I am not in favor of voting for black candidates just to even out the racial balance. But to me, those numbers are indicative of the fact that power relations in America are unbalanced in favor of a privileged majority group, and this is largely for historical reasons that you seem to want to deny.


Up until recent history, there has been racial hatred by white people in America. But I personally never developed it, and I was born in the mid 80's, and that was back in Texas. As it is, living up in the north, I see plenty of racial hatred still promoted but not by light-skinned people. Most of my employers and coworkers with light skin have been neutral in regard to skin color (or even anti-white with regard to skin color so as to somehow demonstrate their "lack" of racism.) Personally, I think only a neutral attitude is proper with regard to such a random issue, but so many people seek to keep dragging it up claiming that it still exists to the extent it did in the 1960's, and some people even act as if it were still the 1850's with ranting claims of "oppression".



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17 Sep 2010, 9:33 am

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How many Russian Premiers have been white? How many kings of Nubia have been black? How many ruler's in Japan have been Japanese? How many British Prime Ministers have been white? How many ... etc. It's a matter of voting for the person you think is best. I voted for McCain, and not Obama. Not because Obama is black but because he's a Democrat and all he seems to be good at is campaigning. Prior to my coming of voting age, there was a Republican candidate who was black in one of the primaries during the 90's. He seemed like he might have been okay. Heck, if Mr. T. were running for office, I'd vote for him. Not because he's black, but because he'd pity you foo's. :P

Whites hold a disproportionately large amount of power in America. The US is about 10% black, but just 1.2% of Presidents have been black, and the Senate is currently 1% black. Blacks and Hispanics are similarly underrepresented in other positions of power, wealth, and authority.

Now, before someone misconstrues my comments, I am not in favor of voting for black candidates just to even out the racial balance. But to me, those numbers are indicative of the fact that power relations in America are unbalanced in favor of a privileged majority group, and this is largely for historical reasons that you seem to want to deny.


You completely disregarded the part where he cites nations that aren't exactly entire nations of immigrants like how the US is. Russia is nowhere near the population diversity that the US is. Nubia isn't even any kind of state but rather a specific region in Northeast Africa (again, not especially an immigration hub).


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17 Sep 2010, 10:28 am

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"WASPs" are a subset of Whites. You go from asserting WASPs are in control to justifying that assertion by talking about the number of Presidents who have been White.

OK. I'm pretty sure all the white presidents have been Anglo-Saxon, though I'm not 100% sure on that. All but JFK were Protestant.

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More importantly, while quoting a statistic stretching back to the 18th Century might look superficially impressive, what you should be looking at is the present day. And including Obama in that statistic (the 0.5 I presume) I would say is disingenuous. Obama is not White.

His mother was a white woman from Kansas. He was raised by white people. He went to school with white people, at predominantly white institutions.

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More importantly still, simply looking at who the President is is inadequate for gauging the balance of political and economic power in the US.

I also gave numbers for the Senate. And the same is true if you want to look up numbers in the House of Representatives or the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies.

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Last but not least, if we take Whites to mean Europeans (as I do), then jews (like Romany Gypsies) are not a people I consider to be White, and that does change the overall conclusion.

There are European Jews, though. And actually, it still doesn't change the overall conclusion that whites are in power, unless you're one of those people who believes our government is secretly being controlled by Zionist reptilians.


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17 Sep 2010, 10:33 am

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You completely disregarded the part where he cites nations that aren't exactly entire nations of immigrants like how the US is. Russia is nowhere near the population diversity that the US is. Nubia isn't even any kind of state but rather a specific region in Northeast Africa (again, not especially an immigration hub).

Yeah, it didn't seem worthwhile to point out that a country which is 100% ethnically Japanese would pretty much never elect a non-Japanese leader. The comparison to ethnically homogenous nations is meaningless.


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17 Sep 2010, 10:44 am

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Up until recent history, there has been racial hatred by white people in America.

Well, at least you acknowledge that. WIll you also agree that it still exists to some extent? Or that the effects of it are still felt?


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17 Sep 2010, 2:32 pm

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Up until recent history, there has been racial hatred by white people in America.


Racial inequality does not necessitate hatred, though. I'm not insinuating you've done this, but there seems to be a tendency to equate racism with hatred. Post-Civil Rights Movement, racism among whites is far more likely to take the form of socioeconomic favoritism or a condescending attitude. It doesn't necessarily mean there's any actual malice involved at all-- it's a much more unconscious thing than that. You can't tell me that 100% of the Tea Partiers who hold rallies with signs depicting Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose are protesting his administration based solely on his policies.

I'm not claiming that you're wrong about other races exhibiting some degree of dislike toward whites. But can we at least agree, like Orwell suggested, that to some degree racism is still, even in this day and age, a two-way street?



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17 Sep 2010, 5:26 pm

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Last but not least, if we take Whites to mean Europeans (as I do), then jews (like Romany Gypsies) are not a people I consider to be White, and that does change the overall conclusion.

There are European Jews, though. And actually, it still doesn't change the overall conclusion that whites are in power, unless you're one of those people who believes our government is secretly being controlled by Zionist reptilians.


I posted on the previous page saying that since you are clearly fine with discussing WASP power, I trusted I could also mention non-WASP power without having to answer jests about “reptilians”. I wasn’t really very confident about that, but I did not expect you, like one of Pavlov’s dogs, to go and use that same word so soon in the very same thread. Don’t you see that that reflects badly on you and not on me?

By way of providing some evidence that the assertion that “WASPs are in control” is at least a simplistic exaggeration, here is a long quote from “Fatal Embrace” (1993) by Benjamin Ginsberg, who is Jewish and a Professor of Political Science at John Hopkins University.

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Since the 1960s, Jews have come to wield considerable influence in American economic, cultural, intellectual. and political life.

Jews played a central role in American finance during the 1980s, and they were among the chief beneficiaries of that decade's corporate mergers and reorganizations. Today, though barely 2% of the nation’s population is Jewish, close to half its billionaires are Jews. The chief executive officers of the three major television networks and the four largest film studios are Jews, as are the owners of the nation’s largest newspaper chain and most influential single newspaper, the New York Times. In the late 1960s, Jews already constituted 20% of the faculty of elite universities and 40% of the professors of elite law schools; today, these percentages doubtless are higher.

The role and influence of Jews in American politics is equally marked. Jews are elected to public office in disproportionate numbers. In 1993, ten members of the United States Senate and thirty-two members of the House of Representatives were Jewish, three to four times their percentage of the general population. Jews are even more prominent in political organizations and in finance. One
recent study found that in twenty-seven of thirty-six campaigns for the United States Senate, one or both candidates relied upon a Jewish campaign chairman or finance director. In the realm of lobbying and litigation, Jews organized what was for many years one of Washington’s most successful political action committees, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and they play leadership roles in such important public interest groups as the American Civil
Liberties Union (ACLU) and Common Cause. Several Jews also played very important roles in the 1992 Democratic presidential campaign. After the Democrats' victory, President Clinton appointed a
number of Jews to prominent positions in his administration.

Their role in American economic, social, and political institutions has enabled Jews to wield considerable influence in the nation's public life. The most obvious indicator of this influence is the $3 billion in direct military and economic aid provided to Israel by the United States each year and, for that matter, the like amount given to Egypt since it agreed to maintain peaceful relations with Israel. That fully three-fourths of America's foreign aid budget is devoted to Israel's security interests is a tribute in considerable measure to the lobbying prowess of AIPAC and the importance of the Jewish community in American politics.

At least until recently, another mark of Jewish influence was the virtual disappearance of anti-Semitic rhetoric from mainstream public discourse in the United States. As a general rule, what can and cannot be said in public reflects the distribution of political power in society; as Jews gained political power, politicians who indulged in anti-Semitic tactics were labeled extremists and exiled to the margins of American politics. Similarly, religious symbols and forms of expression that Jews find threatening have been almost completely eliminated from schools and other public institutions. Suits brought by the ACLU, an organization whose leadership and membership are predominantly Jewish, secured federal court decisions banning officially sanctioned prayers in the public schools and creches and other religious displays in parks and public buildings.

American Jews secured their position of power quite recently ...


I could go on, but I don’t really expect this to register on your radar screen. I find radical leftists often seem to have a better grasp of these issues than self-described moderates. In your case, you just seem to be a person of quite small political horizons, a person for whom political analysis rarely stretches beyond laughing at Tea Party types for not studying historical income tax patterns closely enough.



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17 Sep 2010, 5:32 pm

OK, Jews do have disproportionate influence in government. Is that news? And it still doesn't change the fact that whites are still overall in control. I certainly don't expect a Jewish president anytime soon. Jews have been one of the minority ethnic groups lucky enough to more or less fully integrate into American society, and they face almost no discrimination now.

I was dismissive of your Jewish comments because more often than not people who start bringing that up then immediately go into some fanciful conspiracy or other.


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17 Sep 2010, 5:50 pm

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Up until recent history, there has been racial hatred by white people in America.

Well, at least you acknowledge that. WIll you also agree that it still exists to some extent? Or that the effects of it are still felt?


It does still exist, but it seems to me the hatred aspect of racism exists more in the descendants of those who were former victims of racial hatred from white guys and it exists in its preferential treatment form in the descendants of those who were the victimizers. However, when speaking to immigrants from Latin America, such as from Mexico and Puerto Rico and El Salvador, they also have a form of racism which is neither hatred nor preferential, it is more like a constant dwelling upon races as if they were teams playing some form of sports.



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17 Sep 2010, 5:52 pm

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OK, Jews do have disproportionate influence in government. Is that news? And it still doesn't change the fact that whites are still overall in control. I certainly don't expect a Jewish president anytime soon. Jews have been one of the minority ethnic groups lucky enough to more or less fully integrate into American society, and they face almost no discrimination now.

I was dismissive of your Jewish comments because more often than not people who start bringing that up then immediately go into some fanciful conspiracy or other.


I would vote for a Jewish president, so long as they are morally conservative and are not against the existence of Israel. If the candidates in the 2012 election year are crap, perhaps I'll write in a vote for my wife.



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17 Sep 2010, 7:02 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Up until recent history, there has been racial hatred by white people in America.

Well, at least you acknowledge that. WIll you also agree that it still exists to some extent? Or that the effects of it are still felt?


It does still exist, but it seems to me the hatred aspect of racism exists more in the descendants of those who were former victims of racial hatred from white guys and it exists in its preferential treatment form in the descendants of those who were the victimizers. However, when speaking to immigrants from Latin America, such as from Mexico and Puerto Rico and El Salvador, they also have a form of racism which is neither hatred nor preferential, it is more like a constant dwelling upon races as if they were teams playing some form of sports.

It's always easier to see when the deck is stacked against you, or your opponent had a lucky hand, than it is to see your own privilege. It's pretty well-established that people want to attribute all their successes to their own hard work or inherent merit, while attributing their failures to bad luck or malice from someone else. Similarly, people will tend to attribute someone else's misfortune to that person's failings rather than circumstance.

Basically, I question whether your perceptions accurately reflect external reality.


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17 Sep 2010, 9:08 pm

It doesn't seem to me that there is alot of 'new blood,' coming into the ranks of the Wasps who supposedly control everything. The white quota seems to be mostly made up of aged whites who cling desperately to their posts, and when they are phased out, they are replaced by a minority hire.

How many younger whites are coming in to replace the older generation of whites in leadership positions in the country? The future is grim.



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18 Sep 2010, 7:20 pm

Why is that grim?



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18 Sep 2010, 7:32 pm

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Why is that grim?

I'm surprised that you're simply taking the claim at face value as though it were obviously true.


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18 Sep 2010, 7:42 pm

How about this, then:

If that were true, why would it be grim?