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01 Oct 2010, 9:10 pm

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What about an M1A? The M1 Garand just sounds too clumsy and too expensive, nothing but a showy relic. Not a good weapon for purposes of arming the proletariat for a leftist revolt against the tea-partiers. A combination of M1As and AR-15s might do the trick. :D

:lmao: I wish you luck trying to out-gun the tea party and using a 1-dimensional strategy to defeat them. You're going to need it! :lol:

I don't believe a bunch of rednecks will have superior combat experience just because they know how to guzzle budweisers all day long in a tree perch and unload a 30 caliber clip into some hapless flower sniffing bambi that happens to wander by. It's not like you guys hunt animals that can shoot back at you.

If you had really thought this through you would have come to realize how much you stand to sacrifice by the use of armed conflict, even if you were likely to defeat a tea party. That is why I called your plan 1-dimensional.


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01 Oct 2010, 9:56 pm

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People do realize that 42% Approval Ratings were what Ronald Reagan had in a much, much less severe downturn?

Ronald Regan was a much more experienced politician and statesman who didn't have the kind of personality problems Obama has. Unlike Regan, Obama will keep on believing he is right and that he is a genius and that the American public is too dense to recognize it.


Uh, with double digit unemployment Barack Obama could implement all the Tea Partisans' (absurd, backwards, incoherent) policies and not gain much in way of public approval. Let me share something from any introductory article on Depression-scale disasters - THEY DON'T DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT!



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01 Oct 2010, 10:09 pm

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People do realize that 42% Approval Ratings were what Ronald Reagan had in a much, much less severe downturn?

Ronald Regan was a much more experienced politician and statesman who didn't have the kind of personality problems Obama has. Unlike Regan, Obama will keep on believing he is right and that he is a genius and that the American public is too dense to recognize it.


Uh, with double digit unemployment Barack Obama could implement all the Tea Partisans' (absurd, backwards, incoherent) policies and not gain much in way of public approval. Let me share something from any introductory article on Depression-scale disasters - THEY DON'T DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT!

Of course they don't disappear overnight. I never said they didn't. Obama is not psychologically up to the task of pulling his administration out of it's power dive or implementing policies that will eventually fix the economy.


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01 Oct 2010, 11:19 pm

Here's a perfectly ideologicially neutral reason to be upset with Obama:

http://www.theagitator.com/2010/09/27/tyranny/

Ordering hits on US citizens and then saying that no one has a right to even question it? Even Dick Cheney would have blushed floating that one...


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01 Oct 2010, 11:30 pm

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I don't believe a bunch of rednecks will have superior combat experience just because they know how to guzzle budweisers all day long in a tree perch and unload a 30 caliber clip into some hapless flower sniffing bambi that happens to wander by. It's not like you guys hunt animals that can shoot back at you.


I'll take our inebriated heroism and superior sniping skills over your novelty light-sabres and bowstaffs any day............ In your quest to save Middle Earth from the Tea-Party, have you Bilbos traded in your laser-tag guns for your pellet rifles yet?

On a serious note, active and ex-military is overwhelmingly Republican and Conservative, so I'm afraid in a 1930's reminiscent commie/Croix-de-Feu street battle, you guys would likely be wiped out in an absolute turkey shoot.

We have superior fitness as well. I myself can bench-press 450, as well as run a mile in undre 6 minutes. Don't mean to brag, but I could probably knock out 2 dozen pantywaists in one sitting with nothing but a billy club.



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01 Oct 2010, 11:51 pm

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On a serious note, active and ex-military is overwhelmingly Republican and Conservative, so I'm afraid in a 1930's reminiscent commie/Croix-de-Feu street battle, you guys would likely be wiped out in an absolute turkey shoot.


I've noted this for years myself, having gone to an alternative school full of would be Che Guevaras who liked to skip over the part where he get's buried under an airstrip in Bolivia. I used to point out that it was one thing to romanticize the idea of armed confrontation with ideological opponents, but to keep in mind that as Seattle liberals those opponents were likely armed and ornery. I like to split the difference myself, my logic and reasoning skills are my primary and most effective weapons, but I still keep a pair of .45s handy just in case those aren't enough.


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02 Oct 2010, 12:01 am

Dox47 wrote:
Here's a perfectly ideologicially neutral reason to be upset with Obama:

http://www.theagitator.com/2010/09/27/tyranny/

Ordering hits on US citizens and then saying that no one has a right to even question it? Even Dick Cheney would have blushed floating that one...


Forget just US citizens, ordering hits on anyone without the right of critical scrutiny is a a very vile and deeply immoral thing to do.



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02 Oct 2010, 1:36 am

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Another thing I don't get is why people on the right think they're so hard by calling people on the left "whiners". Maybe we wouldn't be "whiners" anymore if we started carrying guns more at political rallies. We need to start sending our own message of fear and violence to keep them from getting too uppity. Screw pacifism. You know, I think I've finally figured out why so many of them hate black people. Black people have guns and know how to get angry and start riots. They're more of a threat to them than sissy white liberals.


something akin to ethnic cleansing can happen here. there was a civil war once, it can happen again. i put nothing past the right, who i believe will end up dragging the rest of the nation down in flames along with themselves, only they [the haters] are under the mistaken impression that they as a group will somehow elude the ramifications of their hatred, perhaps by way of the rapture? in any case, you don't want to become like them- for the sake of your immortal soul, you will have to steer clear of anything resembling their philosophy. otherwise, [according to psychic sylvia browne] you may end up as a "dark spirit," IOW you might be stuck on a continuous loop of a violent and hateful lifetime, followed by physical death, followed by one's spirit being forced through the "left door" and summary reincarnation into another violent and hateful lifetime, ad infinitum. that is truly hell on earth. so to avoid that, i would rather stick with my "turn the other cheek" meekness and leave 'em to God. let them marinate in their own petty hate. they will be the inheritors of their scorched earth, they can have it, as this meek person refuses the inheritance in liu of the immaculately bright world above. don't be like them.



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02 Oct 2010, 3:56 am

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I'll take our inebriated heroism and superior sniping skills over your novelty light-sabres and bowstaffs any day............ In your quest to save Middle Earth from the Tea-Party, have you Bilbos traded in your laser-tag guns for your pellet rifles yet?

On a serious note, active and ex-military is overwhelmingly Republican and Conservative, so I'm afraid in a 1930's reminiscent commie/Croix-de-Feu street battle, you guys would likely be wiped out in an absolute turkey shoot.

I don't know if you're too dense to see when I'm being facetious or what. I don't really identify with your latte sipping hipster stereotype of liberals anyways. I'm my own person and I come to my beliefs using my own power of reasoning and values.

And of all the ex-military people I've met, they all were decent, compassionate, intelligent people. None were knuckle-draggers like you.

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We have superior fitness as well. I myself can bench-press 450, as well as run a mile in undre 6 minutes. Don't mean to brag, but I could probably knock out 2 dozen pantywaists in one sitting with nothing but a billy club.

Liar. Why don't you show us your Nazi prison tats? I think you're lying about being diagnosed with aspergers as well.



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02 Oct 2010, 4:09 am

People! people! please! enough war talk!

we need to accept two things:

1. The republicans are going to promise freedom, and not keep that promise

2. The democrats are going to promise progress, and not keep that promise

solution: let's get some new parties, or better yet, independents, in office. Even if they screw up big time, we will have reminded the big two that they are in fact, not immortal and force them to behave.

"Party politics will be the death of this nation"-George Washington



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02 Oct 2010, 5:00 am

Tensu wrote:
People! people! please! enough war talk!

we need to accept two things:

1. The republicans are going to promise freedom, and not keep that promise

2. The democrats are going to promise progress, and not keep that promise

solution: let's get some new parties, or better yet, independents, in office. Even if they screw up big time, we will have reminded the big two that they are in fact, not immortal and force them to behave.

"Party politics will be the death of this nation"-George Washington

I'll wait a year to cast judgment and see what effect (if any) the Tea Party has on the status quo.


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02 Oct 2010, 1:24 pm

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Liar. Why don't you show us your Nazi prison tats? I think you're lying about being diagnosed with aspergers as well.


I just sent JB a pic of myself. He'll confirm I don't have a big-ass swastkia on my chest.

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I've noted this for years myself, having gone to an alternative school full of would be Che Guevaras who liked to skip over the part where he get's buried under an airstrip in Bolivia. I used to point out that it was one thing to romanticize the idea of armed confrontation with ideological opponents, but to keep in mind that as Seattle liberals those opponents were likely armed and ornery. I like to split the difference myself, my logic and reasoning skills are my primary and most effective weapons, but I still keep a pair of .45s handy just in case those aren't enough.


I'd show up to play with an M4 Carbine. In the army, I never qualified with any less than a score of 35 out of 40, and this includes hitting 10 targets at a range of 500 feet.......... this means if you were coming at me from even 2 football fields away, I'd have a 1 in 2 chance of felling you. At 200 or 300 feet, it would be a complete turkey shoot. I could wipe out a whole platoons of Obama youth charging my position just by my lonesome. I'd have decent cover and concealment, and with several other crack shots, we'd wipe out a whole division of Obama Youth.

Your one chance would be to harness their mayfly-attention-spans for a few minutes, and mabye they'd incur tremendous casualties but temporarily overrun our positions with a head-on frontal attack. You might be able to temporarily distract them with shiny bling-bling and the promise of loot for a quick en masse attack. Of course, you'd have to assign many white officers to watch them closely, so they'd not go off and just loot Best-Buy and allow us the chance to regroup. I'd say that would be your one chance. If the Obama Youth got into close-quarters action........... admittedly they have some rough brawn that would serve them well.

Still, most of the Obama Youth have gotten husky and short-winded from McDonalds and KFC so I still like our chances at close-quarters. It would be a close call.

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I don't really identify with your latte sipping hipster stereotype of liberals anyways


I drink coffee every day actually.

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02 Oct 2010, 5:25 pm

marshall wrote:
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I'll take our inebriated heroism and superior sniping skills over your novelty light-sabres and bowstaffs any day............ In your quest to save Middle Earth from the Tea-Party, have you Bilbos traded in your laser-tag guns for your pellet rifles yet?

On a serious note, active and ex-military is overwhelmingly Republican and Conservative, so I'm afraid in a 1930's reminiscent commie/Croix-de-Feu street battle, you guys would likely be wiped out in an absolute turkey shoot.

I don't know if you're too dense to see when I'm being facetious or what. I don't really identify with your latte sipping hipster stereotype of liberals anyways. I'm my own person and I come to my beliefs using my own power of reasoning and values.

And of all the ex-military people I've met, they all were decent, compassionate, intelligent people. None were knuckle-draggers like you.

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We have superior fitness as well. I myself can bench-press 450, as well as run a mile in undre 6 minutes. Don't mean to brag, but I could probably knock out 2 dozen pantywaists in one sitting with nothing but a billy club.

Liar. Why don't you show us your Nazi prison tats? I think you're lying about being diagnosed with aspergers as well.

Most of the ex-military people I know would probably find something in common with Hanotaux, who btw, didn't have any tats visible in the picture I saw of him.


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02 Oct 2010, 5:33 pm

I'd kick ass like Dan Daly. ^



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02 Oct 2010, 5:58 pm

Tensu wrote:
People! people! please! enough war talk!

we need to accept two things:

1. The republicans are going to promise freedom, and not keep that promise

2. The democrats are going to promise progress, and not keep that promise



And the Democrats will take our freedom in return for no progress, too.

Our two major parties are political disasters.

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