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29 Sep 2010, 10:55 pm

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Okay, so I'm not exactly observant.


That's pretty obvious ! !!

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That's no reason for you to make fun of me.


BOO HOO........ you've been going at it with me for 2 days straight. You must be one of those who "can dish it out but can't take it."

Save your crying for your sociology professor. How can you deliberately get into massive arguements, make a faux pas, and then expect to be above reproach?

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Tons of unintelligent people make it very far in the military. (In fact, the military is largely comprised of people who are anti-intellectualism. Proof can be found by clicking here.) And who's to say that his father didn't "coerce" (i.e., bribe) his professors into giving him the grades he needed in order to get that MBA?


Yeah, now you're really in that conspiracy theory territory that you leftists so often arbitrarily project on conservatives.

Definitely there are lots of cannon-fodder type people in the military, and intellectually unexceptional soldiers, but being a pilot is many levels above being a grunt or cook for sure. And it actually does take a degree of intelligence and social savvy to make it in the military and not get ELS(entry level separation,) or a general discharge during your term of service if you prove incompetent in your MOS, or something like that.

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Bush didn't have AS, though. He was a NT, which means that he should have been able to express himself better than most people with AS can
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^ Pretty ridiculous and stereotypical if you ask me.

Lots of NT's aren't great at 'expressing themselves' to say the least. Can't say too much more on this but most NT's don't have a perfect combination of amazing gammer, camera-friendliness, being photogenic, fantastic public speaking, etc.



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29 Sep 2010, 11:36 pm

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So you're faulting me for having low self-esteem, which isn't exactly something I can control?

I didn't know you had low self-esteem but that would explain a lot. If you are that emotionally fragile then a heated political debate is not a good place for you.


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29 Sep 2010, 11:39 pm

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I don't know why you are so upset about existing opposition to Obama and leftists? Do you really expect your political opposition just to go along with you and accept 'change.' Its not like the left didn't get their hands dirty either with constantly lampooning Bush and Republicans in general, especially in liberal television programming, mass media, and influential sitcoms.

I get upset because I think conservatives are in the business of holding this country back when things could be better. The same thing happened after the Great Depression during the FDR administration. Opponents cried bloody murder over the introduction of government funded social programs and regulations. I don't know if conservatives and tea-partiers these days would like the world to return to what it was like in the late 1920s and 1930s.

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you virtually demand that your opponents refrain from fighting back, which smacks of liberal fascism. I don't know why you are getting so worked up over the fact that there is opposition to Obama? You seem to favor an absolute leftist dictatorship, with the main poles being between left and left-center.

I don't expect you to refrain from having your opinion. I just don't see the rationale in it. Why do you oppose progressive taxation? Why do you oppose social programs paid for by said taxation?

I already know the reasons that most conservatives will state but I don't see them as being well grounded. They all seem to fall back on this notion of the "rugged individual", that everyone in society "earns thier own keep". Somehow they think living in a society like ours requires no social contracts beyond the basic protection of life and property. They ignore the degree to which cooperation and sharing is necessary in a society as complex as ours. No man is truly an island unless one wishes to go out into the wilderness and become like aboriginal peoples.

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Did you really not expect the 'tea party' to resist? You must be quite naive or just a closet liberal fascist.

There's no such thing as a liberal fascist. Fascism is a right-wing ideology by definition. If you're asking whether I'm a closet communist/Marxist the answer is no. I don't believe in abolishing private ownership of all means for production.



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29 Sep 2010, 11:58 pm

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Also people with AS are hardly one to talk about assigning intelligence or lack thereof based on verbal communication or one's ability to present oneself. Many intelligent people aren't exactly Shakespeare when it comes to grammar and public speaking, but their intelligence manifests itself in other fields.

His lack of verbal ability isn't what made him a simpleton. There's plenty of evidence that he wasn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box in other areas as well. Even republicans in his own administration have admitted that he was not interested in details or anything that required too much thought on his part. He simply liked to fly by the seat of his pants and make decisions based on his "gut" while his underlings did all the actual thinking for him.



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30 Sep 2010, 12:01 am

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Also people with AS are hardly one to talk about assigning intelligence or lack thereof based on verbal communication or one's ability to present oneself. Many intelligent people aren't exactly Shakespeare when it comes to grammar and public speaking, but their intelligence manifests itself in other fields.

Has lack of verbal ability isn't what made him a simpleton. There's plenty of evidence that he wasn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box in other areas as well. Even republicans in his own administration have admitted that he was not interested in details or anything that required too much thought on his part. He simply liked to fly by the seat of his pants and make decisions based on his "gut" while his underlings did all the actual thinking for him.

You described adult ADD more than a low IQ.


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30 Sep 2010, 12:39 am

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He simply liked to fly by the seat of his pants and make decisions based on his "gut" while his underlings did all the actual thinking for him.


So he doesn't micromanage? good for him.

I'd expect him to be too busy anyway to be bothered with lots of details, and for him to naturally delegate authority.

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I get upset because I think conservatives are in the business of holding this country back when things could be better.


Or they could be alot worse.

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I don't know if conservatives and tea-partiers these days would like the world to return to what it was like in the late 1920s and 1930s.


I honestly would. I'm not being sarcastic. I'd love to have small government, 90% white, etc,.

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I just don't see the rationale in it. Why do you oppose progressive taxation


I dont' oppose progressive taxation

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Why do you oppose social programs paid for by said taxation?


I'm against a government that wants to take half of your paycheck and just redistribute it to a minority.

I am against a government that wishes to dominate national healthcare, and in the process, take complete control of departments of Mental Health, and in doing so, rewrite diagonstic criteria for psychiatric disorders, including AS.......... Am I the only one who sees the danger in having the government dictate on what grounds to institutionalize people for psychiatric disorders, by which I mean political dissent being classified as a mental illness? The government will get to take charge of this area and define who is crazy and who isn't, and possibly classify political dissidents as mentally insane.

I'm against a NHS that forces 5/6ths of the population to now sufffer crappy health-care for the sake of a minority population that demands it.

Its likely that these people with their health card will just show up in ERs and sit in there for days, just to get out of the rain. Enjoy the long lines. I'd bet anything lines and lines of black people will spend days clogging ER waiting rooms on the slightest pretext, so good luck if you have an actual emergency.

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There's no such thing as a liberal fascist. Fascism is a right-wing ideology by definition
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I know. I think the left is in the process of institutionalizing a 'reverse fascism'........... the same fascist principles are applied, but in reverse. For example, you substitute the 'Aryan Master Race,' with government mandated 'Black and Mexican priority.' Complete liberal control of education and discipline for any who refuse to conform to diversity tenets, etc. Obama youth brigades.............. Basically a mirror image of every aspect of Nazi fascism.



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30 Sep 2010, 12:48 am

Obama gets criticized for the same things Bush was praised for.

If you like shitty policy, then be consistent in liking shitty policy.


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30 Sep 2010, 1:35 am

marshall wrote:
I get upset because I think conservatives are in the business of holding this country back when things could be better. The same thing happened after the Great Depression during the FDR administration. Opponents cried bloody murder over the introduction of government funded social programs and regulations. I don't know if conservatives and tea-partiers these days would like the world to return to what it was like in the late 1920s and 1930s.


You mean like the Supreme Court FDR tried to undermine via his packing scheme because so many of his New Deal programs were blatantly unconstitutional? If it wasn't for WWII, FDR wouldn't be so fondly remembered today, it basically masked the many failures of his economic policies.


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30 Sep 2010, 5:24 am

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You mean like the Supreme Court FDR tried to undermine via his packing scheme because so many of his New Deal programs were blatantly unconstitutional? If it wasn't for WWII, FDR wouldn't be so fondly remembered today, it basically masked the many failures of his economic policies.


Adolph Hitler did more to end the Great Depression than anything FDR and his New Deal buddies did. In 1937 the U.S. suffered a recession within a depression and things were worse in 1937 than they were in 1933. All of FDR's alphabet soup agencies could not restart the economy. It took preparation for war to do that. Maybe that is why Prince Obama has his very own war going in Afghanistan.

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30 Sep 2010, 11:45 pm

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I'm against a government that wants to take half of your paycheck and just redistribute it to a minority.

I am against a government that wishes to dominate national healthcare, and in the process, take complete control of departments of Mental Health, and in doing so, rewrite diagonstic criteria for psychiatric disorders, including AS.......... Am I the only one who sees the danger in having the government dictate on what grounds to institutionalize people for psychiatric disorders, by which I mean political dissent being classified as a mental illness? The government will get to take charge of this area and define who is crazy and who isn't, and possibly classify political dissidents as mentally insane.

I'm against a NHS that forces 5/6ths of the population to now sufffer crappy health-care for the sake of a minority population that demands it.

Its likely that these people with their health card will just show up in ERs and sit in there for days, just to get out of the rain. Enjoy the long lines. I'd bet anything lines and lines of black people will spend days clogging ER waiting rooms on the slightest pretext, so good luck if you have an actual emergency.

You see, this is the kind of bullshit that pisses me off. I don't know where you get this crap or if you just pulled it out of your ass. All I see is a bunch of unfounded racist paranoia. My paranoia and anger over right-wingers has not proved unfounded. You just proved all my worst fears about the hidden darker motives behind the "tea party" movement.



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30 Sep 2010, 11:53 pm

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marshall wrote:
I get upset because I think conservatives are in the business of holding this country back when things could be better. The same thing happened after the Great Depression during the FDR administration. Opponents cried bloody murder over the introduction of government funded social programs and regulations. I don't know if conservatives and tea-partiers these days would like the world to return to what it was like in the late 1920s and 1930s.


You mean like the Supreme Court FDR tried to undermine via his packing scheme because so many of his New Deal programs were blatantly unconstitutional? If it wasn't for WWII, FDR wouldn't be so fondly remembered today, it basically masked the many failures of his economic policies.


Before FDR there was no Social Security. Would you suggest we get rid of Social Security? Many people on this site rely on it.



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Adolph Hitler did more to end the Great Depression than anything FDR and his New Deal buddies did. In 1937 the U.S. suffered a recession within a depression and things were worse in 1937 than they were in 1933. All of FDR's alphabet soup agencies could not restart the economy. It took preparation for war to do that. Maybe that is why Prince Obama has his very own war going in Afghanistan.

Or maybe we should just start building a bunch of useless crap and force 1/4 the population to immigrate to Canada. Obama could put a bunch of people to work building massive statues and palaces for him. He could also give out free voluntary euthanasia kits for unemployed people and people on welfare.



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01 Oct 2010, 12:25 am

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He could also give out free voluntary euthanasia kits for unemployed people and people on welfare.


but that would indicate compassion, a trait distinctly absent in today's brand of mercenary conservative, who would be happier just using them [what conservatives call deadwood] as cannon fodder for their morally bankrupt, ultimately useless but highly profitable war mongering, or as permanently indentured servants/slaves.



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01 Oct 2010, 12:29 am

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You see, this is the kind of bullshit that pisses me off. I don't know where you get this crap or if you just pulled it out of your ass. All I see is a bunch of unfounded racist paranoia. My paranoia and anger over right-wingers has not proved unfounded. You just proved all my worst fears about the hidden darker motives behind the "tea party" movement.


Oh well, tough titty.

Have fun watching the Tea Party clean up in the midterms.



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01 Oct 2010, 12:31 am

marshall wrote:
All I see is a bunch of unfounded racist paranoia.

Don't strain yourself looking. That's probably all that's there.

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My paranoia and anger over right-wingers has not proved unfounded. You just proved all my worst fears about the hidden darker motives behind the "tea party" movement.

Don't judge an entire group by the worst example of them that you can find.


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