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skafather84
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19 Dec 2010, 9:56 pm

Dox47 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Gotta love state-run media:


"Leaked Swedish police report details case against Assange
It bolsters his accusers' assertions that they weren't colluding with his enemies."



That's a bit of a prep to bias the reader in a certain way.


Hmm, now where I have I seen that sort of thing before... :D

Gotta appreciate the irony in describing the police report as "leaked" though, I'll award them the point on that one.


The only thing I have to add is to not be taken in by the title of the article. This was posted on msnbc.com (I have hotmail so I tend to see it rather frequently) and the title and subtitle did not match up to what the actual news said. The actual news regurgitated the information that was already given in that old Guardian article that I used to get the timeline then they used it to try and paint it more nefariously than the actual events were. to their credit, they included the information that the first claim was more about a broken condom and a woman feeling a broken condom (impossible by all measurable standards between everyone that I know that's active sexually) but again tries to pain the whole ordeal in a more negative light and treats all the information as if it's new and as if it's more condemning Assange than that it's simply the accusations brought against him. They also tried to minimize the fact that the original prosecutor dropped the charges against Assange. It's classic hit piece with misdirection and strawman tactics. Nothing new to us here but a very obvious attempt by our state to assassinate Assange in the press.


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19 Dec 2010, 9:58 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40735131/ns ... n_security


^the article that I'm referring to.


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21 Dec 2010, 12:00 am

Apparently, Keith doesn't know when to quit:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/keith-ol ... test-fire/

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After a self-imposed weekend suspension (an emerging MO), Countdown host Keith Olbermann returned to Twitter this morning to engage the controversy surrounding his dismissive treatment of rape allegations against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. Given the time to compose a calm, reasoned response, Olbermann elected to use a single random tweet to tar the #MooreAndMe protest as violent, accuse its members of financial coercion, attack #MooreAndMe creator Sady Doyle for smoking cigarettes, and finally, to ignore the central issues in this brouhaha.

Someone should gently suggest to Olbermann that when you’re already in a hole, stop digging.

Olbermann’s responses today, via Twitter. He begins by referring to the former “frenzy” as a “spectacle”:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann FYI there will be a tweet (and some retweets) later today about the#mooreandme spectacle


Then, he resorts to the straw man that the protest is about Julian Assange’s guilt or innocence, or the political nature of the extradition effort, and not whether he stands accused of simply having his condom break. Via Twitlonger:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
I endorse, sympathize with, and empathize with, the rape consciousness goals of#mooreandme, and have already apologized accordingly. But I cannot defend and will not accept their tactics which mirror so many of the attitudes and threats they fight. I do not know of what Julian Assange is guilty, if anything, and neither does anybody else. But given the extraordinary efforts by Sweden to extradite him, to say he is benefiting from some form of rape apologism is not fact-based. It is also unfair to condemn as anti-feminist those who merely address the juxtaposition of this prosecution to the fact that Assange threatens the secret and nefarious activities of dozens of governments. And I will not engage those who suggest that those who do not prioritize one issue to the exclusion of all others should succumb to forced financial contributions, or should ‘kill themselves’ (examples of each will be retweeted shortly, along with my previous apology). The #mooreandme attacks do not help those who fight against rape, they hurt them. And indeed they feature something larger than anti-feminist. This is, to use a clunky phrase, anti-personism.


Olbermann then retweets a just-created Twitter account with 10 followers to show that, indeed, he is the victim in all of this:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann ‘Kill yourself’ RT @anarchofeminist @KeithOlbermann Because we’re all white Christian men now, right? Seriously, kill yourself.#mooreandme


As one of our commenters pointed out, Olbermann’s manufactured outrage is deadened somewhat by the fact that he responded to an email troll, several years ago, with the admonition “Kill yourself.” The tweet that Olbermann highlights, then, might well be a reference to that correspondence, for which Olbermann later apologized.

To underscore his victimhood, he buttresses his case that those frenzied #MooreAndMe protesters are just trying to coerce money out of him with two re-tweets on the subject:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann Buying off w/$ RT @PittCWO @MMFlint @KeithOlbermann Apologize, and preferably donate 20k to RAINN. We will NOT STOP BUGGING YOU. #Mooreandme


Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann More buying off w/$ RT @karolynprg .@RAINN01 is matching donations until December 31st. DO YOU HEAR THAT, @MMFlint@KeithOlbermann ?


Of course, Olbermann himself isn’t above a little bit of charity shaming, as one tweeter pointed out. He responded:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann @billiegirltoo You have it backwards. He offered to be waterboarded for charity.


This is a reference to Olbermann’s offer to donate $1000 to charity for every second that Fox News host Sean Hannity agreed to undergo waterboarding. Olbermann also made a big show of donating money to the Special Olympics, chiefly to shame then-Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, after making fun of the learning disabled earlier in the same show.

Olbermann then clarifies the reason for his Twitter absence, taking another shot at his critics in the process:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann And to clarify my absence from Twitter, it was so I could calm down and write in the kind of reasonable fashion #mooreandme has abandoned

KeithOlbermann @sihayadesigns I have no responsibility for reactions to people who write columns boasting about how they chased somebody from Twitter.


He then blocked the Twitter feed of the University of Pittsburgh’s Campus Women’s Organization for demanding a retraction:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann @PittCWO you’ll have to accept a block instead


He then took a weird ad hominem jab at #MooreAndMe creator Sady Doyle’s Twitter avatar:

Keith Olbermann wrote:
KeithOlbermann .@sadydoyle why are you encouraging smoking by women in your avatar? How anti-feminist is that?


It could’ve been worse. At least he didn’t follow that up by saying “Looks like you haven’t come a long way, baby!”

He did follow it up by blocking her again.

Perhaps the assumption that Keith Olbermann wants this “frenzy” to die down is faulty. If he genuinely sees himself as the victim here, which seems to be the case, then this type of engagement arguably helps him. It certainly hasn’t hurt his Twitter follower count. Even with the copious blocking he has been doing, he’s up over a thousand followers since this thing began.

This post was updated to include Keith Olbermann’s prior use of the phrase “Kill yourself.”


At least it's nice to see that incompetence in communications isn't limited to Aspies...


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22 Dec 2010, 1:59 pm

keith makes a living getting worked up and self righteously outraged. when he's pointed in the right direction, he can say a lot of pointed things in a very persuasive way. when he addresses relatively trivial offenses, his "character" is more obvious. i like liberal commentators but it's things like this that expose actors as actors. if he's going to pontificate on twitter as the character he portrays himself as on television, he should probably consult his staff. at the very least, he should wait 5 minutes between writing and posting so he can avoid backpedaling later. he's terrible at backpedaling. his "i'm right" attitude trips over his ego and he comes off as a blowhard.


the allegations against assange seem dubious, and the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" is important. allegations of sexual abuse are delicate, though. a lot of sexual abuse goes unreported because the victims don't think they'll be believed or they don't want to go through the public humiliation of admitting they were abused. the specific allegations may seem dubious but that doesn't mean they are dubious. "the condom broke and he kept going anyway, even though he knew i wouldn't want that" is a valid complaint but to classify that as "rape" in news stories is a bit off the mark at best and character assassination at worst. "he had sex with me while i was asleep and didn't use a condom, which he knew i insisted on" is two valid complaints. unconsciousness isn't consent. the identities of the accusers were, as i understood it, already known. it's understandable that so many people would be upset at the "blame the victim" mentality, as it's being portrayed.

olbermann is a news commentator. he comments on the news. he's great at criticizing the news. he's not that great at delivering the news. he should have known better than to discuss such a complicated issue in 140 characters or less. to basically get into a flamewar over it was just plain stupid.


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22 Dec 2010, 4:16 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mcSXge4Qo&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]


Really good interview with Assange.


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22 Dec 2010, 8:06 pm

Just because rape is a very bad thing it shouldn't mean that all accusations of rape even those that are completely broken and make no sense should become immune to criticism and we should hold every accuser of rape in a shrine of infallibility. In this case the accusations really hold no weight, sorry.


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