An evolutionary probability

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Vikram Singh, Professor of Applied Mathematics at Cardiff University, wrote that the probability of a human enzyme – the building block of genes, which are in turn the building blocks of cells – to have developed from random chance is: 1 in 10 raised to the 40,000th power. (The latter number is, incidentally, more than the number of atoms in the universe. So, you'd need a bigger term than "astronomical" to characterize the quantity.)

The Darwinian Theory of Evolution and the discipline of Mathematics have been natural enemies from the start, but they increasingly become so as time passes and technological advances yield many new discoveries about the universe.

If you're of the disposition to wish to believe that Singh's calculations are way off, then slash a few hundred zeros off the number if you like, and you're still left with an idea which probability itself shows you can't rationally believe.

Remember that I've listed ONLY the probability of the human enzyme forming. Just to reach the forming of a human cell, you'd have to multiply 1 in 10 ^ 40,000 by the probability of several enzymes spontaneously forming a gene, and then you'd have to multiply the resulting quantity by the probability of several genes spontaneously forming a cell. And that's just a cell.

To truly appreciate the two quantities in the enzyme probability expression, here they are in normal, everyday numbers:
The first number in the expression is 1.
The second number is 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Irrelevant, because no one claims that enzymes formed by "random chance." And who is teaching you biology? Enzymes are the building blocks of genes, which are in turn the building blocks of cells? It's been a couple years since I took cellular/molecular biology, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong in several ways. Since I'm guessing this thread is actually a copy-paste job from the YEC drivel mill of the month, I can only assume that those are Singh's actual words, in which case he simply does not know enough biology to comment.


No they haven't. If you were remotely familiar with the literature on the subject, you would know that evolutionary biology is one of the major areas currently being studied by applied mathematicians.


This is a fabrication, and nothing more.

Yea Orwell is right, as more and more advances are made in evolutionary biology, more and more scientific fields are throwing their coin into the fountain to help solidify the evolutionary theory. Especially now when there seems to be an substantial increase in the amount of evidence to prove that life had an evolutionary origin.

I actually just took my first college level [evolutionary biology/biochemistry class] and myself I have to admit I am stumped at how well the pieces of the puzzle are coming together.

Also, you broke the page with your stupid string of 0s. You should break it up a bit, for readability's sake at least.

holy scrollbar batman...

Hey as*hole, do you know how to do scientific notation? 1x10^500 or whatever (I'm not wasting time counting zeros) would be more than sufficient.

My point in posting that absurdly-long number is the absurdity of believing in a supposition that is so mathematically unlikely, that the brain can't even comprehend the "against" quantity of the probability.

No human being can even comprehend such a quantity. Multiply all the great mathematical minds of history together, and comprehension of that quantity and anything close to it would still fail.

Therefore, how can anyone dogmatically assert "Evolution is true" when the basic probabilities against its occurrence are so grotesquely large that they can't even be understood by the human brain?

But that is the obvious logical standard that must be reached by proponents of evolutionism: that they, at the very least, basically comprehend evolutionism's probabilities. But the quantity is simply too large to comprehend.

On the other hand, opponents of evolutionism, including myself, have no demand logically placed upon us to comprehend the quantity in order to dismiss the "Theory of Evolution" as untenable. All that is needed to know that evolutionism is not for him or her is for the dissenter to sense the obvious after looking at the numerical representation of the quantity: that the probability ratio against evolution leading to the world we have today exceeds the capacity of all human brains even to apprehend, let alone comprehend.

So anyone who supports evolution must first visualize how much 10 ^ 40,000 actually is. They must first picture 10 ^ 40,000 things. Or, they must in some other way comprehend it, such as imagining what it would be like to try 10 ^ 40,000 times to pick up a pencil off a desk and fail all but the last time. This is a long way from the self-assured claims I hear all the time -- essentially, "Sure evolution is true! How could it not be!?" The real question in the face of the numbers is, "How COULD it be?! !"

I am not going to actively argue anything in this thread, because the numbers have already won for me. Technically, I've put forth an "argument" simply by making my statements, but actual discussion before the above quantity can be comprehended is irrelevant. Darwin's dream is just that. It's not science, it's a fantastical take on how we got here, and therefore it belongs in the realm of philosophy. Any belief in the "1" against the "10 ^ 40,000" cannot be truly held by any rational being. Space does not permit even a cursory discussion of all the huge flaws in the Darwinian fantasy, and most who believe it are dogmatic to the point of being religious about it (ironically).

That's how it works when they doctor the evidence. Scientists have been doing that forever, and many deliberate fakes have been discovered which were attempted, by very reputable scientists, to evidence evolution.

I'd love to read whatever it is you think you have against evolution but I refuse to scroll back and forth right and left because of that retarded string of zeros so do something about them please. If your trying to make a statement by doing this it is highly pretentious and irritating

As a skeptical scientist and a convinced Christian I maybe should just let this pass.

But when something IS - like when it is actually snowing - it is not really that helpful to say there is only a ten % chance of snow or a 90% probability of snow.

That it is highly improbable something could have happened by chance or that it is mathematically almost inevitable that it should happen by pure physical processes proves nothing about how it actually DID happen.

A lot of zeros.

Did you actually count them? I am not ready to.

At least put the zeros on separate lines (just enter "return" every 60 characters or so), so you just have a post that is needlessly long and spammy with garbage vertically, rather than making the page unviewable.

I won't bother responding to your subsequent drivel for the time being. It's not worth the hassle with the mess this thread has been made from its start.

Cool story bro. You ever heard of something called scientific notation?

awaiting the "loony left" comments and the like...

1) I cant read your message. The zeroes have thrown off the page.

2) Improbable events happen all the time. What matters is how many times you play. Royal Flushes do happen.

3) You don't know the starting point. Many bits of code are recycled and repurposed from something else.

4) The selection portion isnt random.

Out of the 13 replies thus far 7 are more concerned with the page being broken because of that zero spam then with the content of the post