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15 Feb 2011, 6:00 pm

I'm just the quantum immortal. I don't need a name, there's only one, me.

Quantum immortality is simply the Schrödinger's cat experiment from the point of view of the cat. The cat can't see it self dead, so from its perspective its immortal.

Trivial :) .

This immortality is an extremely lazy kind of immortality though, she's not cool :( . Fate outsourced to a large extent my survival to humans.

What? You don't believe me? You are just a fake sceptic, phhh. Just shut up and keep reading.

On my biography, my past has nothing interesting in it. My future however is unbelievably nuts.

My fate's plan, is totally unbelievable. Its some totally crazy stuff about I becoming the prophet of a new religion, and her as the god. This way, i'll be immortal at humans expense (that’s you).

Why are you making that face? Münchhausen who? No you mistake me for some one else.

Its all true, i will have prove this in 100-200 years. I'll be making some miracles, i'm working on that :).

I'm hear to start my religion. If you are naive and gullible, you'll be welcomed. You just need to state as your religion "the church of the quantum immortal" and link back to my blog. My first step in world domination, is to make it on wikipedia, next steps are secret.

i started a religion specific post there.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt152035.html


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15 Feb 2011, 6:51 pm

If a person is concerned about living forever they are not living life to the fullest. If they are engaged in the present moment they are experiencing the same thing that someone who could live forever experiences. If a person lived forever, and were concerned about living forever and were forever concerned about living forever they would be concerned forever. Who knows, one day that person might appreciate an idea that there is no forever and live now and find themselves in now forever, as long as they are aware of now, similiar to the cat.

A cat does have an advantage from an existential perspective; on the other hand they cannot be sure of where their next meal is coming from, but can let you know when it is time for you to serve them the meal. If you "own" or "serve" a cat you may already be in a role like the one you are planning for your subjects. The only significant difference would be that you would serve a "lesser" being, if that was your judgement.


Every person is entitled to their own universe whether they like it or not.



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15 Feb 2011, 7:35 pm

aghogday wrote:
If a person is concerned about living forever they are not living life to the fullest. If they are engaged in the present moment they are experiencing the same thing that someone who could live forever experiences. If a person lived forever, and were concerned about living forever and were forever concerned about living forever they would be concerned forever. Who knows, one day that person might appreciate an idea that there is no forever and live now and find themselves in now forever, as long as they are aware of now, similiar to the cat.

A cat does have an advantage from an existential perspective; on the other hand they cannot be sure of where their next meal is coming from, but can let you know when it is time for you to serve them the meal. If you "own" or "serve" a cat you may already be in a role like the one you are planning for your subjects. The only significant difference would be that you would serve a "lesser" being, if that was your judgement.


Every person is entitled to their own universe whether they like it or not.


I was "lucky", in being optimized in my past for my future.

The cat never sees it self dead. In the same way, i see only an optimized me for immortality.

I'm optimized at a genetic level, by "luck". This is why i'm an aspie. I'm the emotionally flat kind of aspie. Your concern is alien too me.


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15 Feb 2011, 7:50 pm

Not surprising, it is an alien concern for many people under the age of 30, with or without emotion. The ability to enjoy a sense of immortality, "forever", is often determined by circumstances in life. Some people call it fate.



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15 Feb 2011, 8:31 pm

aghogday wrote:
Not surprising, it is an alien concern for many people under the age of 30, with or without emotion. The ability to enjoy a sense of immortality, "forever", is often determined by circumstances in life. Some people call it fate.


Granted the bellow 30 part. I understand what you are saying

You can enjoy a sence of immortality if you are part of some religion. It has an antidepressive effect. This is why almost all religions sell you eternal after life of some sort.

You can join my cult :D . You seam depressed. Just let your self get convinced by quantum immortality :D . You are a quantum immortal too, in some other parallel universe, in this one, i am.

(hmm, maybe i should pay a visit the depression forum)


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15 Feb 2011, 9:41 pm

aghogday wrote:
If a person is concerned about living forever they are not living life to the fullest. If they are engaged in the present moment they are experiencing the same thing that someone who could live forever experiences. If a person lived forever, and were concerned about living forever and were forever concerned about living forever they would be concerned forever.


I just have to say that that pleases me so much. :lol:

Hi Quantum Immortal!

I believe we are all splinters of one thing. If I am your future subject I am also your past object.


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15 Feb 2011, 10:11 pm

Quantum_Immortal wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Not surprising, it is an alien concern for many people under the age of 30, with or without emotion. The ability to enjoy a sense of immortality, "forever", is often determined by circumstances in life. Some people call it fate.


Granted the bellow 30 part. I understand what you are saying

You can enjoy a sence of immortality if you are part of some religion. It has an antidepressive effect. This is why almost all religions sell you eternal after life of some sort.

You can join my cult :D . You seam depressed. Just let your self get convinced by quantum immortality :D . You are a quantum immortal too, in some other parallel universe, in this one, i am.

(hmm, maybe i should pay a visit the depression forum)


For some the cup is half empty. For some the cup is half full. For others the Sun rises and sets because they are here. All of these statements can be true for the individual that exists.

I doubt a visit to the depression forum would be a kind thing to do. Most people enjoy the thought of immortality when they feel good.

Science suggests that each of us perceive a Universe that is altered for each of us by our unique experience of life. So, yes, we do live in parallel universes in the sense that no one perceives their Universe in the exact same way as another individual does.

Research shows that social connectiveness is the leading factor that contributes to happiness. There is no doubt that participating with others for a positive common purpose like attending church can be a mood enhancer. Discussions about religion often get bogged down by whose belief is correct, or whose belief is foolish. None of this detracts from the social cohesion that can be gained through religion.

A belief in eternal life serves the common sense purpose of reducing anxiety about death. A belief in an eternal punishment can lead to anxiety, but that is part of the package that some experience with religion.

I don't think the idea of quantum immortality will work well as a cult, because it does not seem to provide the binding factor that fulfills the Social needs of individuals, normally provided by cults. I read a book related to quantum immortality and realize it is an idea or theory that is seriously entertained by some. That is why I found your post interesting. You seem to be using the theory as a device to parody religion. If so, it is likely that you will get a larger response in the PPR section.

The need for order and control is common among humans. It's not surprising to me that someone came up with this theory or idea.



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16 Feb 2011, 6:21 am

aghogday wrote:
I don't think the idea of quantum immortality will work well as a cult, because it does not seem to provide the binding factor that fulfills the Social needs of individuals, normally provided by cults. I read a book related to quantum immortality and realize it is an idea or theory that is seriously entertained by some. That is why I found your post interesting. You seem to be using the theory as a device to parody religion. If so, it is likely that you will get a larger response in the PPR section.


:D

Don't worry, i thought of that too :D . The whole architecture of the dogma is a bit complex.

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For the last 5 million years we had the exact same sexual behaviour as the bonobos (promiscuity, bisexuality, paedophilia, none reproductive incest). In the last 60-10.000 years, the process of development of modern civilisation replaced this sexual behaviour by religion, and today by consumerism. In modern times, we gradually go back to "normal", the bonobo "normal".


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt151766.html

i call this "binding factor that fulfills the Social needs of individuals". I don't see how you can out bid the above.

The bible talk about( i never read the bible actually :D ) a false prophet and the whore of Babylon at the end of times. The false prophet is me, the whore of Babylon is the above, and its the end of times as we know it. The Antichrist is the European commission(beast with 7 heads, yep, that’s the EU all right, can barely walk straight :D). I don't imply the Christian god exist, it was just "luck", from 2000 years ago, that the bible got it just enough right, so that certain believer can be convinced. Because people are naive and gullible, my "luck" didn't need to make insertions in the bible of greater precision. Because of the planetary spread of the bible, this will ease conversion to my cult :) .

The religion of the quantum immortal is much more intelligent then the flying spaghetti monster nonsense. Pastafrianism its for p*****s.


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16 Feb 2011, 6:33 am

Okay, I just started paying attention. What.


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16 Feb 2011, 7:02 am

Quatermass wrote:
Okay, I just started paying attention. What.


I knew sex sells, it always does. :D

per aghogday's suggestion, i started a post there.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt152035.html

You may want to express more precise inquiry at that thread. My blog is hard to read.


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16 Feb 2011, 7:12 am

Quantum_Immortal wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Okay, I just started paying attention. What.


I knew sex sells, it always does. :D

per aghogday's suggestion, i started a post there.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt152035.html

You may want to express more precise inquiry at that thread. My blog is hard to read.


I am bemused not because of your spurious trappings of quantum mechanics, but rather because declaring that you want to start a cult here is a major red flag to moderators. I should know, I used to be one.

Not only that, but I am a misotheist. I have a thing against organised religion. Even if it is a parody. 'Cos if you have enough silly people, they'll want it to be real. I certainly think that at least one Set cult in Egypt was started as a practical joke involving a mummified aardvark, a ball of hashish, and a bunch of Egyptian fratboys.


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16 Feb 2011, 7:21 am

I am not calling you a whack-job Immortal.
I may be thinking it, but that is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that right now you are aging and it is a process you have had since your birth. You have no way of reversing he sands of time and no doubt in 50 years or even 60 years if you are of healthy genetic stock and barring any unfortunate occurrence you will be around. I doubt you will be an old man then and aging will not be done with you yet.
I would shelve those 100-200 year in the future plans, you won't be around to see them. Try to make the best of it now.
By making the best of it now I would certainly suggest stop focusing so much on the sex habits of monkeys. Write a blog? Make silly comments? Cool. Everyone needs a little release now and then? Take tablets prescribed by doctors if you start going too delusional.
Go out and bond with people. Find someone interesting to have kids with and live well in the few too few decades you have on Earth and don't give over to time-wasting on useless endeavors.
Take care



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16 Feb 2011, 7:43 am

Thread moved to PPR from "Getting to know each other" by TallyMan.


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16 Feb 2011, 7:49 am

Quatermass wrote:
I am bemused not because of your spurious trappings of quantum mechanics, but rather because declaring that you want to start a cult here is a major red flag to moderators. I should know, I used to be one.

Not only that, but I am a misotheist. I have a thing against organised religion. Even if it is a parody. 'Cos if you have enough silly people, they'll want it to be real. I certainly think that at least one Set cult in Egypt was started as a practical joke involving a mummified aardvark, a ball of hashish, and a bunch of Egyptian fratboys.


Welll, hum, yea.

Ultimately, it depends on the participants. There are deviant religions, and socially positive religions. I don't think you can make a blanket category and put every body with the nuts.

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I am not calling you a whack-job Immortal.
I may be thinking it, but that is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that right now you are aging and it is a process you have had since your birth. You have no way of reversing he sands of time and no doubt in 50 years or even 60 years if you are of healthy genetic stock and barring any unfortunate occurrence you will be around. I doubt you will be an old man then and aging will not be done with you yet.
I would shelve those 100-200 year in the future plans, you won't be around to see them. Try to make the best of it now.
By making the best of it now I would certainly suggest stop focusing so much on the sex habits of monkeys. Write a blog? Make silly comments? Cool. Everyone needs a little release now and then? Take tablets prescribed by doctors if you start going too delusional.
Go out and bond with people. Find someone interesting to have kids with and live well in the few too few decades you have on Earth and don't give over to time-wasting on useless endeavors.
Take care


My immortality is extremely lazy. With cloning, you can replicate the entire body, that part of the technology alredy exist. For the brain, things get more difficult. Obviously, we will not going to have the technology to rejuvenate the brain in the next 100 years (i would be 125, a reasonable age by the way). What really matters are explicit memories. The most accessible way, would be to transplant my memories to the embryo of a developing clone, the immature neurones will reconnect with the graph. Embryo brain part transplants are done on animals today. I can weight 100 years for the memory transplant technology to develop.


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16 Feb 2011, 7:58 am

Your memories and brain they are housed in will degrade too.
Brains are funny things different for each person. The brain will grow and prune neuropathways in a well random but continuous way. Even if you were able to transplant memories which you can't they would likely be constantly pruned and measured and contextualised in ways you could not cater for because peopelare individuals and their reality different to yours.
Why not just write a diary....or Religious doctrine. That way you and your monkey followers will have time to enjoy the fruits of your labour inbetween times they are "at it" with each other?