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23 Feb 2011, 11:07 pm

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I hope everyone except a few people go into space so I can live amongst the animals.


You don't have to wait for the space migration for that; you could just move into a low income neighborhood.


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23 Feb 2011, 11:08 pm

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Fair enough, :lol:

When I'm done terraforming Mars though, you're still invited


Oh, please ... by then I'll probably have forgotten how to read ... I'll also have forgotten that there was ever such a thing as reading.


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23 Feb 2011, 11:17 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Fair enough, :lol:

When I'm done terraforming Mars though, you're still invited


Oh, please ... by then I'll probably have forgotten how to read ... I'll also have forgotten that there was ever such a thing as reading.


No reading? I can't even imagine


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24 Feb 2011, 8:35 am

Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.



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24 Feb 2011, 8:42 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

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24 Feb 2011, 8:44 am

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

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I was considering fuel costs, but what's the deal with orbital mechanics?



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24 Feb 2011, 8:47 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

ruveyn


I was considering fuel costs, but what's the deal with orbital mechanics?


It is impossible to build a spoke from the sun that passes straight through earth to mars.

The inner planets revolve faster than the outer planets. See Kepler's Third Law.

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24 Feb 2011, 8:49 am

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

ruveyn


I was considering fuel costs, but what's the deal with orbital mechanics?


It is impossible to build a spoke from the sun that passes straight through earth to mars.

The inner planets revolve faster than the outer planets. See Kepler's Third Law.

ruveyn


I wasn't suggesting a starladder connecting the two planets, rather I think it might be easier (once we're finally able to colonize Mars anyhow) to build a starladder (i.e., a space-elevator) on Mars than it would be to build one on Earth.



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24 Feb 2011, 10:48 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

ruveyn


I was considering fuel costs, but what's the deal with orbital mechanics?


It is impossible to build a spoke from the sun that passes straight through earth to mars.

The inner planets revolve faster than the outer planets. See Kepler's Third Law.

ruveyn


I wasn't suggesting a starladder connecting the two planets, rather I think it might be easier (once we're finally able to colonize Mars anyhow) to build a starladder (i.e., a space-elevator) on Mars than it would be to build one on Earth.


Or, in other words, a means to bypass the fuel-inefficient step of launch and instead, have "elevators" that are essentially towers that provide low-orbit docking stations.


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24 Feb 2011, 10:51 am

skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

ruveyn


I was considering fuel costs, but what's the deal with orbital mechanics?


It is impossible to build a spoke from the sun that passes straight through earth to mars.

The inner planets revolve faster than the outer planets. See Kepler's Third Law.

ruveyn


I wasn't suggesting a starladder connecting the two planets, rather I think it might be easier (once we're finally able to colonize Mars anyhow) to build a starladder (i.e., a space-elevator) on Mars than it would be to build one on Earth.


Or, in other words, a means to bypass the fuel-inefficient step of launch and instead, have "elevators" that are essentially towers that provide low-orbit docking stations.


That's what a starladder is.



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24 Feb 2011, 11:00 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

ruveyn


I was considering fuel costs, but what's the deal with orbital mechanics?


It is impossible to build a spoke from the sun that passes straight through earth to mars.

The inner planets revolve faster than the outer planets. See Kepler's Third Law.

ruveyn


I wasn't suggesting a starladder connecting the two planets, rather I think it might be easier (once we're finally able to colonize Mars anyhow) to build a starladder (i.e., a space-elevator) on Mars than it would be to build one on Earth.


Or, in other words, a means to bypass the fuel-inefficient step of launch and instead, have "elevators" that are essentially towers that provide low-orbit docking stations.


That's what a starladder is.


I know, I was trying to rephrase it for ruveyn's sake. :)


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24 Feb 2011, 11:39 am

skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Mars would be pretty neat, but orbital structures would be far more interesting to me. It might be easier to construct a starladder on Mars than on Earth though.


You seem to have a conceptual problem with Keplerian motion.

ruveyn


I was considering fuel costs, but what's the deal with orbital mechanics?


It is impossible to build a spoke from the sun that passes straight through earth to mars.

The inner planets revolve faster than the outer planets. See Kepler's Third Law.

ruveyn


I wasn't suggesting a starladder connecting the two planets, rather I think it might be easier (once we're finally able to colonize Mars anyhow) to build a starladder (i.e., a space-elevator) on Mars than it would be to build one on Earth.


Or, in other words, a means to bypass the fuel-inefficient step of launch and instead, have "elevators" that are essentially towers that provide low-orbit docking stations.


That's what a starladder is.


I know, I was trying to rephrase it for ruveyn's sake. :)


He's mentioned it in another thread, so I think he would know already. I think he just misunderstood what I was trying to say.



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24 Feb 2011, 2:28 pm

Mars would definitely be easier for a space elevator or sky hook type setup. In fact any construction there would be easier just due to the lower gravity, less structural support would be needed, or much lighter support. I find it easier to comprehend a space elevator when thinking of it 'dropping' to the planet rather then as a 'tower'. You could probably use Phobos or Deimos as a counterweight if it were possible to move one of them into an Areosynchronous orbit
Looks like the space fanatics have temporarily hijacked this thread :lol:


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24 Feb 2011, 4:17 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Mars would definitely be easier for a space elevator or sky hook type setup. In fact any construction there would be easier just due to the lower gravity, less structural support would be needed, or much lighter support. I find it easier to comprehend a space elevator when thinking of it 'dropping' to the planet rather then as a 'tower'. You could probably use Phobos or Deimos as a counterweight if it were possible to move one of them into an Areosynchronous orbit
Looks like the space fanatics have temporarily hijacked this thread :lol:


Considering space is the only decent longterm answer to both energy and population problems, I consider it a reasonable extension of the original topic.

OP approved. :D


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24 Feb 2011, 4:39 pm

Is it possible for an influx of unexpected resources to have a negative impact on the environment? That is to say if we strip mars of all its materials is there a limit to how much it would be safe to bring to earth?