Israels attack on Lebanon.

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To Scrapheap and anyone else who is interested.

First I don't take sides, I think Hamas is horrible; suicide bombers I detest for the cowardly people they are, wether it's in England, Israel, USA or Spain.
I feel for the people of Israel who has to live under theese conditions.

But I also feel for the Lebanese people. My grandmother told me about the Beirut she visited on a cruize in the thirties, a beautiful city, very european, very modern. I've seen the older Beirut in tv not ruined be bombs and it looks beatiful, I've always wanted to go to see Beirut. Now the civilwar has finally ended the country seemed to come back on its feet again, opening up to the world, western style. It is important to have a strong Lebanon who is turned to the west in that region.

Now Israel has probably thrown the country into another war, and made grounds for islam extremist to gain power. The group they are fighting is Hizbollah, they are different from Hamas, they are muslims like those in Iran, they want priests to rule the country under sharia law. Do you think they will allow computers and internet, let alone accept aspies? What Israel is doing is not bringing peace to the region, but promoting a second Iran.

Lastly, if you look at the facts, Israel lost first on the two other soldiers, their response have been to totally destroy an entire country, by ruining its infrastructure, communication, means of transport and the most important and moneymaking industri: tourism. That's why I say it's a horrible thing Israel has done.
They could have settled for taking prominent palestinians captive and exchange prisoners. But no, they have to show their power, flex their muscles.

Three people on one side, an entire country on the other!

I think it's horrible, but that's just my opinion.

My problem is this :

2 Israeli soldiers were kidnapped
Israel has bombed areas where civilians have been killed

In my mind, Israel's response is not justified. It is not ok to kill civilians just because some military soldiers have been kidnapped by a paramilitary organization that has offices inside another nation. Shame on the United States' government for using their veto once again to protect Israel from having to explain their behavior to the UN.

That was sad to hear!

My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone in Israel?

BBC is reporting that over 100 Lebonese have been killed by Israel so far. My own government is preventing them from being called onto the carpet for this. They'd rather a war break out over there when Syria or Iran feels obligated to get involved. I wonder just how long Syria or Iran will stand by and watch Israel kill innocent people. I am really curious about the contradictions this reveals about the US government. This sort of aggression is tolerated just because 2 soldiers were kidnapped? Does it really justify the killing of over 100 people in another nation?

Capturing prominent Palestinians and exchanging them for the soldiers: Israel tried that, it didn't work. The Palestinians wanted far more (thousands EDIT last I read 130) prisoners taken earlier freed. They claim that many of the prisoners were taken for no reason, while Israel claims that they are all involved in carrying out or planning terrorism. Where the truth is, nobody knows

There have also been Israeli civilians killed in rocket attacks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5185586.stm

I don't know how people can talk about warcrimes ... war is a crime. I hope *all* the civilian deaths stop soon.

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I'm sorry, but to me the killing of civilians is not ok just because 2 soldiers were kidnapped. I recognise members of the military as legitimate targets, but not civilians or civilian structures. As upset as Israel may be that they cannot bargain well with their non-state enemies, it doesn't justify the deaths of innocents.

By my information, there were no rocket attacks into Israel (during this conflict) before Israel invaded Lebanon. Am I wrong?

Iran is behind the war by using hezbollah as a proxy to divert attention from their nuclear program. The prez of Iran said they want to wipe Isreal of the map. When countries start making statements like that Isreal gets very nervous.

I also meant to say that Lebanon is unfairly caught in the middle. I remember the Prez of Iran making statements to the effect that he wanted to destroy Isreal, but did not remember the exact words.

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Yes, there are civilian casualties on both sides.

My concern is that Iran and Hizbollah will benefit from this.

I just want a free Lebanon with close contacts to the western world.

Although Israel seems to be concentrating on killing Lebonese so far.

this is not actually true, what ahmadinejad actually said translates more correctly as:

"the occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"

there is quite an ongoing debate about this at the moment at several internet sites, including the guardian http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/jon ... t_155.html and medialens.org http://www.medialens.org/forum/viewtopi ... =6395#6395

the "wipe off the map" quote is pure propaganda.

Quit playing semantics here. Even the statement you say is more correctly translated STILL admits they want to destroy Isreal. Don't you know how to read this kind of rhetoric??

no , i'm sorry but "wipe israel off the map" is a very different statement than
"the occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
did you read the guardian article or the medialens thread?

Note--I am not choosing sides, i am trying(and failing) to look at it from the outside and without bias.

innocent people are being killed or harmed on both sides and i am really not OK with this.
i have a lot of problems with this... my main problem right now is with israel. although i don't think israel started it i think it should not have continued it in the way it did.
They say they are a government and the other groups are terror groups but they are causing a lot of terror right now. i am upset with what israel is doing Not just for one reason.

People in lebenon are short on water and israel still bombs places. then the water that could possibly be used for the people is used tto put out fires. right now israel is doing worse things.
my thoughts

this was not the deadliest attack but it is horrible that children must suffer for adults problems.
killed 8 innocent people. had nothing to do with the bombings
i am looking by who is doing the most harm to people.

of course this is also because israel has better weapons...mostly provided by US.. and i don't think the US is doing anything to stop them.

israel says they are not targeting civilians, but right now that is a bit difficult for me to believe. Hizbollah doesn't deny attacking civilians (at least as far as i know, i could be wrong.)

over a hundred have died in lebenon, dozens in israel. Most of the people that have been killed or will be killed do not have anything to do with the fighting.

It is not right to bring civilians into this fight it is between the governments/terror groups not the people. even if attacking just the groups responsible does not work, there is no reason to turn cities full of innocent people into war zones.

it also bugs me that i cannot find anything being done to help the the civilians of lebenon or israel... i know there has to be somthing being done... I really want to be able to help people over there get out or get help or do something.

I am scared for certain people over there, both in israel and lebenon. i would like to know if anyone knows anyway to help people in israel and lebenon.

Hi Scrapheap.

I'm glad to see you found the place, I hope you make lots of friends here.
(coughs discretly)

So which would prefer to happen to you , to be wiped off the map or vanish from this page in time? Both are inheriently hostile don't ya think





I know what you mean it always seems that the average guy who could really care less abot the political situation are the ones that pay the price it's the same all over which is just too bad. I just wish this mess would be over before it turns into something much worse