Students Hospitalized After Smoking Synthetic Marijuana

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24 May 2011, 3:55 pm

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Cigarettes and alcohol are a lot worse than cannabis. Look up the death figures.

And were those death figures in percentages or plain numbers? If you're wondering why 300 times as many people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones, it's probably because 300 times more people don't have access to illegal drugs. I'm sure the same applies to nicotine vs pot. Cigarettes destroy your lungs. Pot destroys your lungs, and makes you stupid for an hour or two.



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24 May 2011, 4:08 pm

USMCnBNSFdude wrote:
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Cigarettes and alcohol are a lot worse than cannabis. Look up the death figures.

And were those death figures in percentages or plain numbers? If you're wondering why 300 times as many people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones, it's probably because 300 times more people don't have access to illegal drugs. I'm sure the same applies to nicotine vs pot. Cigarettes destroy your lungs. Pot destroys your lungs, and makes you stupid for an hour or two.


Nicotine and Cannabis do not have the same effects on the lungs.......smoking ciggerettes can cause cancer, smoking cannabis cannot. Now obviously smoking anything will put one at risk for respitory damage but studies show it is safer to smoke cannabis then it is to smoke ciggerettes. And in my experiance it causes euphoria not stupidity.



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24 May 2011, 4:10 pm

Source for that 'bold' claim, USMCnBNSFdude?
Short answer: No. Its easier to get illegal drugs then it is most prescription drugs. And a lot of prescription drugs are acquired illegally. In fact many abusers are eventually refused further prescription drugs and so they go to the street to find them
There is also the fact that the lethal dose of THC is so utterly vast nobody will ever be able to achieve it. It has caused- zero, let me repeat, zero- deaths. The same cannot be said for the various prescription drugs. Or the opiate based painkillers that are often freely given out to people without regards to the consequences of opiate addiction
Pot need not be smoked. If it were legal this would be much more evident. Alas, the penalty for processing it into a less toxic (pure) form is actually far greater than mere distribution. So most people smoke it in the same fashion as cigarettes, or with water bongs, or vaporizers, the latter two eliminating a lot of the tar and carcinogens. However there has been very little solid research done into its effects on lung tissue compared to cigarettes. One does not smoke joints like cigarettes, there is a big difference in usage methodology and time-frames of usage. Almost all claims about marijuana are just vague assumptions that are decades old

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makes you stupid for an hour or two.


That sucks for you. But as you're 14, I really hope you aren't using substances of any kind.


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24 May 2011, 4:13 pm

Blue_Jackets_fan wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Cigarettes and alcohol are a lot worse than cannabis. Look up the death figures.


Ciggerettes don't do any of this:
Trouble remembering things
Slowed reaction time
Difficulty concentrating
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia (feeling that people are "out to get you")
Altered time perception
Red, bloodshot eyes
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen ... s/485.html

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All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Nicotine Gum:

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Abnormal dreams; diarrhea; difficulty sleeping; dry mouth; joint pain; muscle pain; nervousness; sweating; weakness.


Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Nicotine Gum:

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Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); fast or irregular heartbeat; mouth, teeth, or jaw problems; pounding in the chest; severe diarrhea, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, or weakness.


This is not a complete list of all side effects that may occur. If you have questions about side effects, contact your health care provider. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. To report side effects to the appropriate agency, please read the Guide to Reporting Problems to FDA.


Other ways of injesting nicotine have similar side effects:

http://www.drugs.com/sfx/nicotine-side-effects.html

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Smoking and Anxiety Panic Attacks
LUNG cancer, hypertension, heart disease, birth defects—we're all too familiar with the perils of smoking. But add to that list a frightening new concern. Mental illness. According to some controversial new findings, if smoking doesn't kill you, it may, quite literally, drive you to despair.



The tobacco industry openly pushes its product as something to lift your mood and soothe anxiety. But the short-term feel-good factor may mask the truth: that smoking may worsen or even trigger anxiety disorders, panic attacks and depression, perhaps even schizophrenia.

Cigarettes and mental illness have always tended to go together. An estimated 1.25 billion people smoke worldwide including roughly a quarter of Britons and Americans. Yet people who are depressed or anxious are twice as likely to smoke, and up to 88 per cent of those with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia are smokers. A recent American survey concluded that around half of all cigarettes burn in the fingers of those with mental illness.

But the big question is why? The usual story is that the illness comes first. Mentally ill people take up smoking, or smoke more, to alleviate some of their distress. Even when smoking seems to start before the illness, most doctors believe that early but invisible symptoms of the disorder spark the desire to light up. But perhaps something more sinister is going on.

A growing band of researchers claim that smoking is the cause, not the consequence of clinical depression and several forms of anxiety. “We know a lot about the effects of smoking on physical health, and now we are also starting to see the adverse effects in new research on mental illness,” says epidemiologist Naomi Breslau, director of research at the Henry Ford Health Care System in Detroit.



http://www.severe-social-anxiety.com/Ci ... lness.html


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24 May 2011, 4:15 pm

Just throwing this out there, ladies and gentlemen, but this thread is necro. And BJF hasn't even been here in months, its not exactly fair game to argue with someone who is probably not going to respond...


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24 May 2011, 4:16 pm

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24 May 2011, 4:18 pm

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Just throwing this out there, ladies and gentlemen, but this is a thread is necro. And BJF hasn't even been here in months, its not exactly fair game to argue with someone who is probably not going to respond...


Hmmmm. In a few posts I read where she was arguing with AG, it appears that Bethie is in favour of drug prohibition. Perhaps she could argue in his place?


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24 May 2011, 4:19 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Just throwing this out there, ladies and gentlemen, but this is a thread is necro. And BJF hasn't even been here in months, its not exactly fair game to argue with someone who is probably not going to respond...


Hmmmm. In a few posts I read where she was arguing with AG, it appears that Bethie is in favour of drug prohibition. Perhaps she could argue in his place?


We've got USMCnBNSFdude here but if VW wants to join in that'd be pretty swell


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25 May 2011, 10:09 am

Vigilans wrote:
Just throwing this out there, ladies and gentlemen, but this thread is necro. And BJF hasn't even been here in months, its not exactly fair game to argue with someone who is probably not going to respond...


You most definitely have a point on your hands.
I also completely agree with your rebuttal that
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a lot of prescription drugs are acquired illegally. In fact many abusers are eventually refused further prescription drugs and so they go to the street to find them


I have done many prescription drugs, and - spoiler alert - I had a prescription to none of them. By that notion, USMCnBNSFdude, only the people who have a prescription to drugs such as opioids and barbituates have the propensity to abuse them?



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25 May 2011, 1:58 pm

A close friend of mine survived cancer but came out of it with an addiction to several opiate painkillers & codeine. The cancer took up 1 1/2 years of her life, the opiate addiction and recovery took up closer to 4 and she actually looked sicker than when she had the cancer. All legally prescribed


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25 May 2011, 3:19 pm

That's a shame. I hope she's well now.