The Vietnam War

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Its very simple why we lost the war United States had 58,220 dead soldiers South Vietnam.

had 316,000 dead soldiers Republic of Korea had 5,099 dead 10,962 wounded 4 missing.

Australia 521 dead; 3,000 wounded New Zealand 37 dead; 187 wounded Thailand 1,351 dead.

Kingdom of Laos 30,000 killed.


Total dead for the Anit Communist Forces.
Total dead: 315,384 – 412,000
Total wounded: ~1,490,000+

Compare that to the enemy.

North Vietnam & NLF 1,176,000 dead or missing 600,000+ wounded.

Peoples Repbulic of China 1,446 dead; 4,200 wounded.

Soviet Union 16 dead.

Communist Forces Total dead was.
Total dead: ~1,177,462 (highest est.)
Total wounded: ~604,200+

It was all about the numbers we didnt have the man power to win the war its that simple.

Last edited by Joker on 04 Oct 2011, 3:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Catch-22 won WWII.

Tadzio

The U.S. found out to its sorrow what it is to fight a land war in Asia. The Viet Nam war did not end happily for the U.S. We lost 60,000 people and got little or nothing for it.

ruveyn

Is there a war since WWII that we can say we won?

We cannot decide what constitutes a war in modern times; how then can we expect to define victory? News is reported multiple times a day, if we covered WW2 like that; people would have been declaring the defeat of the United States at Kasserine Pass. We are both too close and too far from modern conflict to gain anything like an objective perspective. That said, when I saw this image of the former leader of the Soviet Union I was pretty sure the Cold War was decided in our favor and that capitalism had defeated communism..

The Vietnam war turned out the way it did because of lack a of commitment (balls) by Washington and the press siding with the enemy.

Yeah cuz we were totally gunna win that one
did the hippies make you lose a a war waptow?

Raptor actually does have a valid point, it was the Politicians that caused a lot of problems, because they were trying to micromanage everything. Then we also had the press trying to side with the enemy.

It was an Ideological war hence an Illogical one.
It was a loser of a war there was no scenario where we were going to "win" it.
We left there was no "domino" effect the whole enterprise was shown to be fruitless.
The press was reporting what was happening they sided with the truth.

I agree with almost everything you say here. The problem is that Vietnam, rather like the First World War was a war of military and strategic evolution that neither the generals or politicians were able to see for what it was. They went into it with the lessons of past wars, which were utterly incompatible with the situation that they were facing. It is difficult for us, with the benefit of hindsight to understand either war. But the beginning of the First World War had a great deal to do with the War of 1870 between Germany and France; people expected a repeat. Vietnam was dealt with by statesmen whose keystone moment was the compromise at Munich. Both were watershed events... but they were also the ends of eras, not recognized for what they were, at the time. I cannot hate people like Haig or Westmoreland, they were right... but in the wrong time and they compensated as best as their backgrounds could allow.

As for the journalists... there were many leftie reporters. People like Peter Hitchens got into the trade to spread the socialist revolution.... there were certainly a few too many such journalists in the pack. That said, there were also fantastic warriors for truth like Sean Flynn.

Not a single war. That last war the U.S. won was the Good War, WW2

It has been losses or non-wins since with a loss of blood a treasure that has not gained a thing for the country.

ruveyn

this is why I am a pragmatic pacifist

I forgot that I even started this thread I posted this thread after watching a ww2 movie the Vietnam war was a loss because we no nothing about asia and their land we cant beat them in their country we lost more people because of it to and all three of my grandfathers fought in Vietnam and they all said the war was pointless they all lost good men for nothing

The Vietnam thing should really be discussed on its own thread.

I'm curious as to why you started this thread in the first place when there's another current one of THE SAME TITLE.

Well allow me to answer your question I was not aware of the other thread with the same title their are so many threads that I havent even looked at yet

Sorry about your damn luck