Dec 1st, recruiting people for the war on Christmas.

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01 Dec 2013, 3:06 pm

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I don't really see why anyone cares either way.

Maybe it is because America is much more Christian than the UK. Quick stats: USA 73% Christian, 6% "other", 20% "none"; England 59% Christian, 9% "other", 32% "none/not stated" (if you factor in the rest of Britain then the religion falls for irreligion, and if you factor in Northern Ireland Christianity rises at the expense of other religions).

US Christianity is also different than UK Christianity. Evangelical Protestantism is the largest single denomination in the US (26 percent of Christians in 2009, slightly larger than Catholicism - according to Pew Research). In comparison, the largest denomination in the UK is the Church of England, which takes a much more moderate stance on a lot of issues (due to the Bloody Mary/Elizabeth incident, I assume).

US Evangelical Christianity rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and a lot of people rub US Evangelical Christianity the wrong way.



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01 Dec 2013, 5:12 pm

GOP has important things to say this Christmas:

https://twitter.com/BWheatnyc/status/40 ... 28/photo/1


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01 Dec 2013, 5:26 pm

Christians stole Christmas from the Pagans. Now the Pagans are stealing it back.

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01 Dec 2013, 5:36 pm

I just bought some Christmas decorations for my door.



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01 Dec 2013, 5:48 pm

I think I'll hang some Christians on my door for the holidays. :twisted:


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01 Dec 2013, 6:07 pm

GGPViper wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
I don't really see why anyone cares either way.

Maybe it is because America is much more Christian than the UK. Quick stats: USA 73% Christian, 6% "other", 20% "none"; England 59% Christian, 9% "other", 32% "none/not stated" (if you factor in the rest of Britain then the religion falls for irreligion, and if you factor in Northern Ireland Christianity rises at the expense of other religions).

US Christianity is also different than UK Christianity. Evangelical Protestantism is the largest single denomination in the US (26 percent of Christians in 2009, slightly larger than Catholicism - according to Pew Research). In comparison, the largest denomination in the UK is the Church of England, which takes a much more moderate stance on a lot of issues (due to the Bloody Mary/Elizabeth incident, I assume).

US Evangelical Christianity rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and a lot of people rub US Evangelical Christianity the wrong way.

Yeah, that's a very good point. Extreme views are more common in the USA (and probably not widely thought of as extreme), and the most extreme Christians (creationist museum, Westboro) are more prominent in the media.

Our Baptists are also a lot more liberal than American Baptists. I think there is some kind of Southern Baptist schism which leads to widespread fundamentalism in the Baptist church in the Bible Belt. I might well have misunderstood that though.



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01 Dec 2013, 6:23 pm

To all the hopes of the best of humanity: Merry Christmas!


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02 Dec 2013, 4:34 am

ruveyn wrote:
Christians stole Christmas from the Pagans. Now the Pagans are stealing it back.

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The Roman politicians placed it on december 25th since this was already an official day off in Rome. By the time Constantine came to power, the Roman pagan religions were dying out.



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02 Dec 2013, 7:16 am

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I think I'll hang some Christians on my door for the holidays. :twisted:


Won't that make them cross. :twisted:


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02 Dec 2013, 11:23 am

^^^ :lol:


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02 Dec 2013, 2:38 pm

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A Christian getting told "Happy Holidays" is not the equivalent to a non-Christian (read: Jewish, Muslim) getting told "Merry Christmas".

You're right, it's actually much worse.

The problem here is when non-religous people are going around trying to tell religious people what they should or shouldn't be saying. If you're Christian, then you should be saying Merry Christmas. If you're Muslim, you should say whatever they say for Ramadan. If you're Jewish, you should say Happy Hanukah or whatever they say for that. But why say Happy Holidays? What does that even mean? Does it mean you're going so celebrate all of the different religious holidays that fall around this time of the year? Because if not, I really can't see how it makes any sense.

If you're going to celebrate one of the religious holidays, then stop beating around the bush and just say it by name. And if you're not celebrating any of the religious holidays, then just stop sounding stupid and shut up about the whole thing already.



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02 Dec 2013, 4:21 pm

when you live on minimum wage or below and have to raise kids, you develop a certain empathy for the anti christmas lobby.

The bawls of 'political correctness going mad' tend to originate from the affluent middle class WASPS with far too much disposable income on their hands.

The turtle neck wearing, gleamy teethed toupee wearing suntanned pricks.


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02 Dec 2013, 4:23 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
GOP has important things to say this Christmas:

https://twitter.com/BWheatnyc/status/40 ... 28/photo/1


The GOP has had nothing of consequence to say about anything, ever.


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02 Dec 2013, 4:42 pm

This is why the country is going to s**t.

Our economy is a mess, we are printing billions in new money to prop up the economy, we are sending millions to countries who want to destroy us, we have billions in unfunded liabilities, but instead of that, we are fighting over celebrating Christmas.



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02 Dec 2013, 6:51 pm

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The problem here is when non-religous people are going around trying to tell religious people what they should or shouldn't be saying.

No, hell no.

Zero tolerance to this BullShit.

Let me repeat: The War on Christmas is a totally made-up thing by the Christian right to pretend they are being persecuted. Christians are persecution-fetishists that need to feel martyrized over anything. The only people that are for real flipping their s**t over what holiday greetings you use is Christians getting mad at Happy Holidays.


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