Dec 1st, recruiting people for the war on Christmas.

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03 Dec 2013, 6:07 pm

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The only people that are for real flipping their sh** over what holiday greetings you use is Christians getting mad at Happy Holidays.

So by this, it logically follows that the person who created this thread is, by your definition, a Christian getting mad at Happy Holidays.
That seems a bit strange to me.



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04 Dec 2013, 1:30 am

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A Christian getting told "Happy Holidays" is not the equivalent to a non-Christian (read: Jewish, Muslim) getting told "Merry Christmas".

You're right, it's actually much worse.

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04 Dec 2013, 1:31 am

Bitoku wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
The only people that are for real flipping their sh** over what holiday greetings you use is Christians getting mad at Happy Holidays.

So by this, it logically follows that the person who created this thread is, by your definition, a Christian getting mad at Happy Holidays.
That seems a bit strange to me.

That was sarcasm.



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04 Dec 2013, 2:28 am

Bitoku wrote:
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A Christian getting told "Happy Holidays" is not the equivalent to a non-Christian (read: Jewish, Muslim) getting told "Merry Christmas".

You're right, it's actually much worse.

The problem here is when non-religous people are going around trying to tell religious people what they should or shouldn't be saying. If you're Christian, then you should be saying Merry Christmas. If you're Muslim, you should say whatever they say for Ramadan. If you're Jewish, you should say Happy Hanukah or whatever they say for that. But why say Happy Holidays? What does that even mean? Does it mean you're going so celebrate all of the different religious holidays that fall around this time of the year? Because if not, I really can't see how it makes any sense.

If you're going to celebrate one of the religious holidays, then stop beating around the bush and just say it by name. And if you're not celebrating any of the religious holidays, then just stop sounding stupid and shut up about the whole thing already.


"Happy Holidays" is useful in a retail/business environment since it doesn't alienate any consumer base. The ultimate goal of a business is to make as much money as humanly possible, so it pays not to offend anyone. That's why businesses and the media are perceived to be "politically correct". They don't care about Social Justice Warrior stuff. They just don't want a section of the consumer population to stop spending their money on their products.



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04 Dec 2013, 3:58 am

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Bitoku wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
A Christian getting told "Happy Holidays" is not the equivalent to a non-Christian (read: Jewish, Muslim) getting told "Merry Christmas".

You're right, it's actually much worse.

The problem here is when non-religous people are going around trying to tell religious people what they should or shouldn't be saying. If you're Christian, then you should be saying Merry Christmas. If you're Muslim, you should say whatever they say for Ramadan. If you're Jewish, you should say Happy Hanukah or whatever they say for that. But why say Happy Holidays? What does that even mean? Does it mean you're going so celebrate all of the different religious holidays that fall around this time of the year? Because if not, I really can't see how it makes any sense.

If you're going to celebrate one of the religious holidays, then stop beating around the bush and just say it by name. And if you're not celebrating any of the religious holidays, then just stop sounding stupid and shut up about the whole thing already.


"Happy Holidays" is useful in a retail/business environment since it doesn't alienate any consumer base. The ultimate goal of a business is to make as much money as humanly possible, so it pays not to offend anyone. That's why businesses and the media are perceived to be "politically correct". They don't care about Social Justice Warrior stuff. They just don't want a section of the consumer population to stop spending their money on their products.

If that's the case, why do they break out the christmas stuff before Halloween these days? It certainly alienates me.



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04 Dec 2013, 9:47 am

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If that's the case, why do they break out the christmas stuff before Halloween these days? It certainly alienates me.


I was just in an two officially Islamic countries. In pretty much all the malls they have the decorations up for Christmas and they all say 'Merry Christmas', not 'Happy Holidays'. During my time there I also attended a Hindu festival, which was very interesting (the food was great). In the morning the call for prayer could be heard pretty much everywhere. Both have significant religious tensions and identity issues and I am sure the love of Christmas there was very much a support of the retail industry. During Islamic festivals you get really interesting pastries and they still had signs everywhere for Diwali (which you really have to attend at some point). If I took anything away from my time in such a polyglot environment it was that tolerance should not be a bland thing, like westernized Chinese food. If you are offended by the music and the decorations then TBH, have a cup of concrete.


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04 Dec 2013, 6:58 pm

TheGoggles wrote:
"Happy Holidays" is useful in a retail/business environment since it doesn't alienate any consumer base. The ultimate goal of a business is to make as much money as humanly possible, so it pays not to offend anyone. That's why businesses and the media are perceived to be "politically correct". They don't care about Social Justice Warrior stuff. They just don't want a section of the consumer population to stop spending their money on their products.

I suppose this is a reason to use the term "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" or some other religious-specific term.
Not really sure that it's a good reason, mind you...



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04 Dec 2013, 7:49 pm

Merry Christmas heathens and thank you for not overcrowding heaven Image
We appreciate your gesture, making room for others at this time of year. After all if everyone got in...would anyone really want to go there?

May I suggest an alternative such as a Hindu heaven? Spicy huh? Or R'lyeh perhaps? Dreamy.

Either way, we are ready to X you out of X-mas and sincerely thank you for your sacrifice at this time. I hear Islam is looking to expand it's market, or Scientology...? :lol:


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04 Dec 2013, 10:20 pm

91 wrote:
LKL wrote:
If that's the case, why do they break out the christmas stuff before Halloween these days? It certainly alienates me.


I was just in an two officially Islamic countries. In pretty much all the malls they have the decorations up for Christmas and they all say 'Merry Christmas', not 'Happy Holidays'. During my time there I also attended a Hindu festival, which was very interesting (the food was great). In the morning the call for prayer could be heard pretty much everywhere. Both have significant religious tensions and identity issues and I am sure the love of Christmas there was very much a support of the retail industry. During Islamic festivals you get really interesting pastries and they still had signs everywhere for Diwali (which you really have to attend at some point). If I took anything away from my time in such a polyglot environment it was that tolerance should not be a bland thing, like westernized Chinese food. If you are offended by the music and the decorations then TBH, have a cup of concrete.


I'm not offended by the music and the decorations per se; I'm offended by the fact that they're out before Halloweeen. In your travels, are there any other regions where a one-day holiday has been stretched out to a quarter of the entire year?



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04 Dec 2013, 10:37 pm

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I'm not offended by the music and the decorations per se; I'm offended by the fact that they're out before Halloweeen. In your travels, are there any other regions where a one-day holiday has been stretched out to a quarter of the entire year?


Well that's not fair, Hinduism has like a thousand festivals, they just all last one day. In Islam Ramdan goes on for ages but the late night food is awesome. Christmas is not a one day festival it is the Season of Advent. Certainly there is a retail aspect to Christmas but I'm not much of a grinch about it, I always find the decorations to be pretty good.


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05 Dec 2013, 5:26 am

So take THAT Adam Sandler, and your "8 crazy days"!(just kidding).

Yes- even Gentiles forget that there are 12 (not just one) days of christmas.


They run from Dec. 26th to January 6th (the feast of Epiphany).

But I have no idea WHAT "seven lords a-leaping" means.



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05 Dec 2013, 11:25 am

^^^People would jump over ceremonial fires,maybe that's it.
When I was little I thought they were playing leap frog.


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05 Dec 2013, 12:51 pm

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^^^People would jump over ceremonial fires,maybe that's it.
When I was little I thought they were playing leap frog.


Could be a reference to some daredevil thing like that that they were into the middle ages.

Most people imagine boys leap frogging. I think of it as ten solemn gentlemen from the House of Lords in powdered wigs leaping for your spouse's amusement. Which just doesnt compute.



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06 Dec 2013, 3:08 am

91 wrote:
LKL wrote:
I'm not offended by the music and the decorations per se; I'm offended by the fact that they're out before Halloweeen. In your travels, are there any other regions where a one-day holiday has been stretched out to a quarter of the entire year?


Well that's not fair, Hinduism has like a thousand festivals, they just all last one day. In Islam Ramdan goes on for ages but the late night food is awesome. Christmas is not a one day festival it is the Season of Advent. Certainly there is a retail aspect to Christmas but I'm not much of a grinch about it, I always find the decorations to be pretty good.

IIrc the 'season of advent' used to at least be confined to just December.



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06 Dec 2013, 4:49 pm

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Merry Christmas heathens and thank you for not overcrowding heaven Image
We appreciate your gesture, making room for others at this time of year. After all if everyone got in...would anyone really want to go there?

May I suggest an alternative such as a Hindu heaven? Spicy huh? Or R'lyeh perhaps? Dreamy.

Either way, we are ready to X you out of X-mas and sincerely thank you for your sacrifice at this time. I hear Islam is looking to expand it's market, or Scientology...? :lol:
Christmas is a secular holiday. The meaning of Christmas? Gifts and family reunions. Tons of atheists celebrate "Christmas", as in take this time of the year to share with family and spend money like pigs. The spirit of Christmas? To make stores move from red to black. (Ever heard of "black" Friday?). It is good for the economy hence why stores advertise for everyone, and not just Xtians.


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