Is the acceptance of profanity into our language good?

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Should society embrace profanity?
Yes, they're just words, and a good way to express how you feel 63%  63%  [ 17 ]
No, they are more than just words, they are a form of aggression and make a person sound uneducated 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
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16 Jan 2012, 12:43 pm

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Talking about fetishes is banned in the rules but it's generally allowed in the adult section as long as no one goes into too much detail, so why can't we swear in the adult section just as long as we're not attacking people? That's my question I put to you.
The auto-censor doesn't discriminate according to forum so therefore it's entirely consistent for any member, anywhere on WP.
I remember a time not so long ago when rules were requested which weren't open to personal interpretation: the auto-censor provides just that.


Yes but what about pictures which happen to have swearwords in them? Why can't those be posted in adult, given what I've just said? And getting past that auto-censor is very easy for the record.



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16 Jan 2012, 1:12 pm

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Actually, it's more or less useful to swear so often. Swearing at the opportune time can reduce the sensation of pain (say, when you miss the nail you're trying to hammer and hit your finger) but according to studies, people that swear too often do not get that benefit, likely from being used to it. =/

Also, swear words are supposed to be "taboo", because they have such power that they can provoke emotions. Constant use of those makes the impact progressively smaller (desensibilization) and kind of makes the point of them being "taboo" in the first place kind of irrelevant. =/


It's just like inflation of money in a way isn't it? The more swears they are, the less valuable each individual one is. Same with the number of dollars. There's a reason words are called 'currency'



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16 Jan 2012, 1:16 pm

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Yes but what about pictures which happen to have swearwords in them? Why can't those be posted in adult, given what I've just said? And getting past that auto-censor is very easy for the record.
I think it's fairly well known that the censor can be bypassed but doing so would not be a good idea, because it would be seen as a deliberate attempt at breaking the rules and would be dealt with accordingly.
It's possible, with the aim of providing better consistency, for the rules enacted through the auto-censor to be extended to cover swearwords in images too.


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16 Jan 2012, 1:20 pm

You've still not answered my actual question, Cornflake.

If discussing fetishes is against the rules but that rule is applied more leniently in the adult section, why can't the same happen with swear words?



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16 Jan 2012, 1:25 pm

I look forward to the time when profanity finally becomes fully accepted.

They're just words. If you are offended by a word you need to take a serious look at yourself and find out why a small collection of letters can mess with your head so much.



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16 Jan 2012, 1:25 pm

There is a strong body of evidence that points to therapeutic results from swearing. The clearest evidence is the relationship between swearing and pain tolerance. But there are also some inquiries into the relationship between swearing and stress.

That being said, however, many psychologists believe that its therapeutic benefits lie with the emotional connection to swearing--the more familiar the word becomes, the less the emotional impact, and the less benefit.

But then we'll turn around and find another one.


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16 Jan 2012, 1:26 pm

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I look forward to the time when profanity finally becomes fully accepted.

They're just words. If you are offended by a word you need to take a serious look at yourself and find out why a small collection of letters can mess with your head so much.


Exactly.

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There is a strong body of evidence that points to therapeutic results from swearing. The clearest evidence is the relationship between swearing and pain tolerance. But there are also some inquiries into the relationship between swearing and stress.

That being said, however, many psychologists believe that its therapeutic benefits lie with the emotional connection to swearing--the more familiar the word becomes, the less the emotional impact, and the less benefit.

But then we'll turn around and find another one.


Exactly x2.



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16 Jan 2012, 1:27 pm

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You've still not answered my actual question, Cornflake.

If discussing fetishes is against the rules but that rule is applied more leniently in the adult section, why can't the same happen with swear words?
Because the auto-censor is consistent and not open to personal interpretation.


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16 Jan 2012, 1:29 pm

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You've still not answered my actual question, Cornflake.

If discussing fetishes is against the rules but that rule is applied more leniently in the adult section, why can't the same happen with swear words?
Because the auto-censor is consistent and not open to personal interpretation.


Bit inconsistent, isn't it? To let people slightly bend one family friendly type rule in the section just for adults, but not do the same for another? Using the operation of a forum script as a reason seems a bit flimsy in my opinion.



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16 Jan 2012, 1:31 pm

abacacus wrote:
I look forward to the time when profanity finally becomes fully accepted.

They're just words. If you are offended by a word you need to take a serious look at yourself and find out why a small collection of letters can mess with your head so much.


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16 Jan 2012, 1:47 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
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You've still not answered my actual question, Cornflake.

If discussing fetishes is against the rules but that rule is applied more leniently in the adult section, why can't the same happen with swear words?
Because the auto-censor is consistent and not open to personal interpretation.
Bit inconsistent, isn't it? To let people slightly bend one family friendly type rule in the section just for adults, but not do the same for another? Using the operation of a forum script as a reason seems a bit flimsy in my opinion.
Elsewhere you were complaining about the way some of the rules were open to interpretation, and now you're being shown how a consistent rule is being applied you want it to be more open to interpretation.
You accept one "rule bend", allowed through a personal interpretation, because it's what you want to see but reject another rule which isn't open to personal interpretation because it's not what you want to see.
What you appear to want is inconsistent consistency, but I expect even you can see the conflict here. :?


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16 Jan 2012, 1:51 pm

Cornflake wrote:
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You've still not answered my actual question, Cornflake.

If discussing fetishes is against the rules but that rule is applied more leniently in the adult section, why can't the same happen with swear words?
Because the auto-censor is consistent and not open to personal interpretation.
Bit inconsistent, isn't it? To let people slightly bend one family friendly type rule in the section just for adults, but not do the same for another? Using the operation of a forum script as a reason seems a bit flimsy in my opinion.
Elsewhere you were complaining about the way some of the rules were open to interpretation, and now you're being shown how a consistent rule is being applied you want it to be more open to interpretation.
You accept one "rule bend", allowed through a personal interpretation, because it's what you want to see but reject another rule which isn't open to personal interpretation because it's not what you want to see.
What you appear to want is inconsistent consistency, but I expect even you can see the conflict here. :?


In the thread you are referring to, I also spoke of how the moderators should, IMHO, only apply rules when they are needed rather than taking any chance they can to catch people. In recent days, I have been on the receiving end of the latter behaviour, and leaving the bashing of a certain mod who may or may not have a grudge against me aside, I think it's an inefficient way to run a forum, and it ultimately frustrates usually rule following, legitimate long term members, as well as newbies and pretty much everyone else.



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16 Jan 2012, 2:03 pm

I for one say just remove the language filter in any area that could be expected to be populated mainly by adults.

Censorship is a plague, it spreads until it consumes all.



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16 Jan 2012, 2:08 pm

abacacus wrote:
I for one say just remove the language filter in any area that could be expected to be populated mainly by adults.

Censorship is a plague, it spreads until it consumes all.


Damn straight.



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16 Jan 2012, 2:15 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
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You've still not answered my actual question, Cornflake.

If discussing fetishes is against the rules but that rule is applied more leniently in the adult section, why can't the same happen with swear words?
Because the auto-censor is consistent and not open to personal interpretation.


Bit inconsistent, isn't it? To let people slightly bend one family friendly type rule in the section just for adults, but not do the same for another? Using the operation of a forum script as a reason seems a bit flimsy in my opinion.

we could be stricter with how much we censor fetish discussion - it has more grey area than swears do. there is a sharp dividing line with swears because the swear filter establishes a strict guideline. fetish talk requires more of a judgement call in each instance.

we aren't going to go in the opposite direction and be more lenient with swears, but we could be stricter wth fetish talk. are you asking us to be stricter in that area? it's kind of hard to get to the root of what you want from us because before you were complaining that we moderated threads about fetishes, and now you seem to want us to be stricter with that.


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