Is the acceptance of profanity into our language good?

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Should society embrace profanity?
Yes, they're just words, and a good way to express how you feel 63%  63%  [ 17 ]
No, they are more than just words, they are a form of aggression and make a person sound uneducated 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
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16 Jan 2012, 5:35 pm

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Agreeing to the rules does not mean I won't do my best to fight them when they are quite frankly silly :lol:

I actually maintain residence on several websites that are uncensored, I tend to prefer them over censored forums. But, I have yet to find a community this large of aspies and auties that allows me to talk as I actually do in real life.

If we don't have the right to not be offended where does the rule against cursing come from? Why is it there? The only reason to disallow cursing is so that people don't get offended. And again we run in to the problem of where to draw the line, especially when it's such an arbitrary line.

Signing up to a website when you dont agree to their rules instead of looking for one where you are comfortable with their rules when theres plenty to choose from seems even sillier but thats probably just my opinion.

Have a look at intensitysquared if you are interested on uncensored talk for those on the spectrum.

I dont know where the rule about cursing comes from,you´ll have to ask that to alex

We try to allow a little bit of cursing but the thing is members keep pushing the limits... so it has gone out of hand and we are making a stand. We are unsure wether this is going to be a temporary thing or not.

It was nice talking to you and asp-z but its 23:36 pm here and I have classes at 8:30 so I need to get some sleep.


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16 Jan 2012, 5:42 pm

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abacacus wrote:
Agreeing to the rules does not mean I won't do my best to fight them when they are quite frankly silly :lol:

I actually maintain residence on several websites that are uncensored, I tend to prefer them over censored forums. But, I have yet to find a community this large of aspies and auties that allows me to talk as I actually do in real life.

If we don't have the right to not be offended where does the rule against cursing come from? Why is it there? The only reason to disallow cursing is so that people don't get offended. And again we run in to the problem of where to draw the line, especially when it's such an arbitrary line.

Signing up to a website when you dont agree to their rules instead of looking for one where you are comfortable with their rules when theres plenty to choose from seems even sillier but thats probably just my opinion.

Have a look at intensitysquared if you are interested on uncensored talk for those on the spectrum.

I dont know where the rule about cursing comes from,you´ll have to ask that to alex

We try to allow a little bit of cursing but the thing is members keep pushing the limits... so it has gone out of hand and we are making a stand. We are unsure wether this is going to be a temporary thing or not.

It was nice talking to you and asp-z but its 23:36 pm here and I have classes at 8:30 so I need to get some sleep.


I did agree to the rules, otherwise I wouldn't be here. However, I will try to change them to suit my personal opinions when I have the chance. I am only human after all.

I'll check out that forum tonight, see if it suits me any. Thanks for the recommendation.

Have a good night and enjoy your day on the morrow, it's been nice speaking to you as well.



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16 Jan 2012, 7:57 pm

According to our beloved First Amendment

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


The Supreme Court is going to be re-examining the laws concerning naughty words.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... he-f-word/

One of the First Amendment's major heroes is Larry Flynt.

http://www.thelangreport.com/solvers-an ... amendment/



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16 Jan 2012, 8:51 pm

I was raised by parents that don't mind swearing. This made life very hard when my school suspended me for swearing.
What's offensive to some is perfectly fine for others. It is society that condemns these words.

It can not physically harm anyone and is not always used as a f**king insult. The F word made the word insult sound more dramatic. :idea:
Thats why people swear.

For moderators to allow certain letters in swear words but not allow the actual word is stupid.
Swear words are very important to human language. S**t! I use them all the time and they help express my emotions using words.


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16 Jan 2012, 9:07 pm

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S**t! I use them all the time and they help express my emotions using words.


Naughty, naughty.

I recommend looking up George Carlin's routine on 7 words on youtube.



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16 Jan 2012, 9:18 pm

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For moderators to allow certain letters in swear words but not allow the actual word is stupid.
As moderators we have no choice in the matter for three reasons: (1) the auto-censor (that which replaces certain letter combinations with asterisks) is part of the forum software and (2) it is enabled site-wide by the owner and provider of this website and (3) the site rules say "no swearing" - Supreme Court or not.

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Swear words are very important to human language.
That's your opinion, which you're entirely free to hold - as are others entirely free to disagree with you, and implement site rules based upon their belief.


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16 Jan 2012, 10:58 pm

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the site rules say "no swearing" - Supreme Court or not.



What does "no swearing" mean, exactly? Are we not allowed to take solemn oaths on the forum?

Are there specific words that are prohibited? Apparently, certain words that have to do with the act of coitus or with reproductive organs are prohibited. Possibly words that mean excrement or excretion. But, what about references to the deity, when such references are in vain?

Is it the same words that are prohibited on television in the USA? Apparently, you can't say the word "fart" on television, yet we've had something lengthy discussions on farting.



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17 Jan 2012, 12:43 am

pandabear wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
the site rules say "no swearing" - Supreme Court or not.



What does "no swearing" mean, exactly? Are we not allowed to take solemn oaths on the forum?

Are there specific words that are prohibited? Apparently, certain words that have to do with the act of coitus or with reproductive organs are prohibited. Possibly words that mean excrement or excretion. But, what about references to the deity, when such references are in vain?

Is it the same words that are prohibited on television in the USA? Apparently, you can't say the word "fart" on television, yet we've had something lengthy discussions on farting.

the easiest way to tell if a word is censored is to preview a sample post and see if the word is censored out.


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17 Jan 2012, 8:40 am

Ah. So "swearing" is defined as using a word that is censored out.

So, I am permitted to swear an oath? To pledge allegiance?

It does seem a bit odd. I am permitted to write about coitus, so long as I do not use the familiar monosyllabic word that begins with an f.

I can call Mitt Romney a fornicating fool, a copulating chrysanthemum, or an individual who engages in sexual intercourse. But, I cannot use the monosyllabic word that means the same thing.



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17 Jan 2012, 9:26 am

pandabear wrote:
Ah. So "swearing" is defined as using a word that is censored out.

So, I am permitted to swear an oath? To pledge allegiance?

It does seem a bit odd. I am permitted to write about coitus, so long as I do not use the familiar monosyllabic word that begins with an f.

I can call Mitt Romney a fornicating fool, a copulating chrysanthemum, or an individual who engages in sexual intercourse. But, I cannot use the monosyllabic word that means the same thing.

Thanks for your suggestion but members have been approached by the use of words that were inappropriate yet not censored by the swear filter in the past.

I even had a nice discussion with Gedrene about wether fornicating should be accepted at the public sections or just in adult.

What you and hyperlexian were speaking of is words that are already censored by the website coding and now we are speaking of words that are censored by mods.

Im sure you know what kind of words arent acceptable outside adult(if its not related to sex not even there) and which arent.

Im now recalling a time when members started using jackhole as a swearword, members that are interested could try to look into doing something similar provided that its less obvious


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17 Jan 2012, 9:28 am

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Cornflake wrote:
the site rules say "no swearing" - Supreme Court or not.
What does "no swearing" mean, exactly? Are we not allowed to take solemn oaths on the forum?
*consults online dictionary*
Ah yes, here we are -
A dictionary wrote:
Swearing:
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1: profane or obscene expression usually of surprise or anger; "expletives were deleted" [syn: curse, curse word, expletive, oath, swearing, swearword, cuss]
2: a commitment to tell the truth (especially in a court of law); to lie under oath is to become subject to prosecution for perjury [syn: oath, swearing]
I'm going out on a limb here and making a really wild guess, but I reckon "swearing" in the context of posts made to WP would refer to definition (1) above.


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17 Jan 2012, 10:20 am

Cornflake wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
the site rules say "no swearing" - Supreme Court or not.
What does "no swearing" mean, exactly? Are we not allowed to take solemn oaths on the forum?
*consults online dictionary*
Ah yes, here we are -
A dictionary wrote:
Swearing:
n
1: profane or obscene expression usually of surprise or anger; "expletives were deleted" [syn: curse, curse word, expletive, oath, swearing, swearword, cuss]
2: a commitment to tell the truth (especially in a court of law); to lie under oath is to become subject to prosecution for perjury [syn: oath, swearing]
I'm going out on a limb here and making a really wild guess, but I reckon "swearing" in the context of posts made to WP would refer to definition (1) above.


Well, given that we are discussing politics, philosophy, and religion, it could mean that we must not commit to telling the truth. :wink:

As an adjective, profane simply means
Definition of Profane wrote:
Relating or devoted to that which is not sacred or biblical; secular.


Obscene means
Definition of Obscene wrote:
1. Offensive to accepted standards of decency or modesty.
2. Inciting lustful feelings; lewd.
3. Repulsive; disgusting: "The way he writes about the disease that killed her is simply obscene" (Michael Korda).
4. So large in amount as to be objectionable or outrageous: "local merchants in nearby stores get hammered by stratospheric rents and obscene taxes" (Joe Queenan).


So, if we are to go with Definition 1 of "Swear", then we must only use words that are sacred or biblical, that do not offend accepted standards of modesty, and that do not incite lustful feelings.

I get a stiffy every time that I see the words "online dictionary." We'll have to find a synonym that does not incite these lustful feelings. Otherwise, a rule has been violated. :wink:



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17 Jan 2012, 10:48 am

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Well, given that we are discussing politics, philosophy, and religion, it could mean that we must not commit to telling the truth. :wink:
Well, I guess there is that... :lol:

It's really quite simple, and I'm pretty sure hair-splitting and endless dictionary consultations are not required.
We're all aware of certain words that are generally referred to as "swearwords", or "cusswords" and similar.
According to the rules, those words are unacceptable on WP.

That's about the size of it.


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17 Jan 2012, 11:46 am

An interesting case is the verb "to shag", which, in the USA, prior to Austin Powers, would have meant to chase someone down. When one American, sitting at a restaurant table with 2-3 Australians, said "I'll shag a waitress", he came to understand that this verb possessed an entirely different connotation for Australians. Since Austin Powers, the verb "to shag" has become a cute and endearing way of saying "to have coitus."

So I guess that it would be acceptable to call Mitt Romney a "Shagging Shrew", as this would not be caught by the censor.



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17 Jan 2012, 2:06 pm

Saying 'WOULD' isn't considered profane, are we allowed to say it about someone?


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