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03 Oct 2012, 5:49 am

Many of us experienced bullying.
Many of us feel the society is cruel and unjust.
But what can we do about it?

I was one time interested in story of Olga Hepnarova,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Hepnarov%C3%A1
am pretty sure she was autistic, even though in that time (she was born 1951)
girls had no chance to be diagnosed as such, unless LFA.

She wrote this to the newspaper:
.. I am a loner. A destroyed man. A man destroyed by people... I have a choice - to kill myself or to kill others. I choose - TO REVENGE MY HATERS. It would be too easy to leave this world as an unknown suicide. The society is too indifferent, rightly so. My verdict is: I, Olga Hepnarová, the victim of your bestiality, sentence you to death penalty.

I read whole book about her,
and it is obvious she was very inteligent,
and thought through her actions.

When the judge asked her if she would have done it again,
she answered:
If you can promise me the society will stop bullying its weak members, I will promise you I will never repeat it.

She was young (23) and ready to give her life..and life of other people she did not know..for case she saw as grave.
We can agree, that murder is painful for a victim and his family
(however how many innocent people are being killed for much less noble causes: like , say, oil)
but I do feel she was pure in her heart.
A noble murderer.



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03 Oct 2012, 6:18 am

She wasn't a noble murderer. Driving your truck into a group of unknown people who haven't (judging from the article) done anything to you is not noble at all. It's about as stupid as killing random members of some country just because your parent got killed by one of the said country's citizens.

Even killing someone who murdered your family member is stupid and completely pointless.

And I believe you should be put under surveillance by your state security service for suggesting that such people are "noble". It puts you into a mass murderer risk group.



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03 Oct 2012, 6:55 am

Aha.
So, to kill innocent people in stupid wars (and majority of wars are stupid) or when instructed by authority
is OK or noble, but to kill innocent people if you are not backed up by goverment ( and you have a cause) is totally different issue?

At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own actions.

I said noble murderer.
Murderer is not a very pretty word, is it?
By using that word I was acknowledging the horror of the act.
However she was starved of love, yet she used her life to save others from the same fate.
Yes, she was misled.
But she was pure in heart. That is my opinion.


I do not think I will become a mass murderer,
as I respect life in all forms.
And do not kill even insects.

Maybe I am too brutally honest, maybe I should kept some things to myself. :?

BTW: how many people that we see as noble were actually murderers?
(like Robin Hood, for example)

And no ,kids, please do not kill.



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03 Oct 2012, 7:01 am

Issit wrote:
Aha.
So, to kill innocent people in stupid wars (and majority of wars are stupid) or when instructed by authority
is OK or noble, but to kill innocent people if you are not backed up by goverment ( and you have a cause) is totally different issue?

At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own actions.

I said noble murderer.
Murderer is not a very pretty word, is it?
By using that word I was acknowledging the horror of the act.
However she was starved of love, yet she used her life to save others from the same fate.
Yes, she was misled.
But she was pure in heart. That is my opinion.


I do not think I will become a mass murderer,
as I respect life in all forms.
And do not kill even insects.

Maybe I am too brutally honest, maybe I should kept some things to myself. :?

BTW: how many people that we see as noble were actually murderers?
(like Robin Hood, for example)


"So, to kill innocent people in stupid wars (and majority of wars are stupid) or when instructed by authority
is OK or noble"

Never said that. You're putting words in my mouth. A murder is only justified if the murder in question does more benefit than harm. For example, killing a brutal dictator is usually OK, but it depends on the case. And she wasn't noble at all.



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03 Oct 2012, 7:15 am

Kind of reminds me the system of bullying.
This kid is not Ok to bully, as he is cool with us.
THAT kid, though, is pissing us off, lets make his life hell.

Why so far nobody tried to kill the head (brutal dictator) of China EVEN though he is responsible for MILLIONS of casualties in Tibet?
Maybe because China is strong AND economically useful?
How sad.


You have a moral authority on whom to murder. Really?



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03 Oct 2012, 7:25 am

Issit wrote:
Kind of reminds me the system of bullying.
This kid is not Ok to bully, as he is cool with us.
THAT kid, though, is pissing us off, lets make his life hell.

Why so far nobody tried to kill the head (brutal dictator) of China EVEN though he is responsible for MILLIONS of casualties in Tibet?
Maybe because China is strong AND economically useful?
How sad.


You have a moral authority on whom to murder. Really?


Who in your opinion has a moral authority on whom to murder? And the moral cost-benefit analysis has the moral authority over it, not me. And I'm unable to understand what on Earth you were trying to say above the sentence I had replied to.



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03 Oct 2012, 7:28 am

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03 Oct 2012, 7:35 am

Many aspies have killed in shooting sprees as of late....
She is not an isolated aspie murderer

Sacrifice for a cause...
Terrorism
Terrorism
Terrorism

If no one is really helping the downtrodden, if gubbermints are bullies
.........................
No wonder aspies are turning to murderer
[I am peace loving and in love with a goose....]

I got a raw deal
So I'm looking for a steal



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03 Oct 2012, 7:41 am

Olga

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03 Oct 2012, 7:45 am

impulse343 wrote:
Issit wrote:
Aha.
So, to kill innocent people in stupid wars (and majority of wars are stupid) or when instructed by authority
is OK or noble, but to kill innocent people if you are not backed up by goverment ( and you have a cause) is totally different issue?

At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own actions.

I said noble murderer.
Murderer is not a very pretty word, is it?
By using that word I was acknowledging the horror of the act.
However she was starved of love, yet she used her life to save others from the same fate.
Yes, she was misled.
But she was pure in heart. That is my opinion.


I do not think I will become a mass murderer,
as I respect life in all forms.
And do not kill even insects.

Maybe I am too brutally honest, maybe I should kept some things to myself. :?

BTW: how many people that we see as noble were actually murderers?
(like Robin Hood, for example)


"So, to kill innocent people in stupid wars (and majority of wars are stupid) or when instructed by authority
is OK or noble"

Never said that. You're putting words in my mouth. A murder is only justified if the murder in question does more benefit than harm. For example, killing a brutal dictator is usually OK, but it depends on the case. And she wasn't noble at all.


that can be used to justify murdering bullies just as easily as the argument in the OP, enough subjective factors to allow it to happen.


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03 Oct 2012, 7:50 am

Psychobable spin doctors in the house



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03 Oct 2012, 7:51 am

To be honest, she sounds like a psychopath and completely deranged. Killing people she didn't even know, just because some (other) people had been cruel to her. That's twisted and sick. Had she killed the people who had been mean to her, then I could understand that, but not what she did. I don't see why anyone could call her 'noble'.


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03 Oct 2012, 8:10 am

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
To be honest, she sounds like a psychopath and completely deranged. .


She sounds and looks more like a sweetie who snapped, to me

Actually the bulbous flesh on the end of her nose indicates violence[phrenology]



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03 Oct 2012, 8:22 am

Phrenology? Seriously? Uhm...

There's a big difference between "kill a person who has been abusing you for a long time" and "kill random people because other people have been abusing you for a long time". That second one? Not "noble murder"; just plain murder.


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03 Oct 2012, 8:24 am

Surfman wrote:
Psychobable spin doctors in the house


I think you might be psychotic. You keep on saying some incoherent nonsense over and over again. This is one of the key symptoms of psychotic disorder, such as schizophrenia. You should seek psychiatric help as soon as possible.



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03 Oct 2012, 8:25 am

phrenology is about as valid as reading starsigns or meridian lines, that is to say not at all.

killing random people doesnt help her case,

but would it have been acceptable had it been the people that actually did cause her to suffer, and why?


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