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Absolutely. When people are made to answer for their lack of care, they will care more in the future.
Bring back flogging and the stocks!
ruveyn
You know, ruveyn, for someone who likes to whine about government inefficiency all the time, you sure seem happy with some of the perverse incentives that go on in many departments. Namely, the excessive concern with any procedural error to the point where process trumps results or to the point where the marginal cost of particular safeguards way outweigh the marginal benefit.
But please, ruveyn, ignore reality yet again and go read summaries of Hobbes for the 1000th time, thinking that it'll spur something new in your mind.
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Even if they didn't. Even if they turned in forms for people who were dead or nonexistent.
What was the effect? Someone still has to show up at the polling place with valid ID.
That's just it though, dead and nonexistent people *do* vote all the time. That's nothing new either.
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Even if they didn't. Even if they turned in forms for people who were dead or nonexistent.
What was the effect? Someone still has to show up at the polling place with valid ID.
That's just it though, dead and nonexistent people *do* vote all the time. That's nothing new either.
And if Acorn suspected that forms had been filled out as part of a conspiracy to commit voter fraud, what should they have done about it?
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Of course, I believe that these invisible people will steal our nuclear secrets and destroy the Republic. I don't have evidence of it, but that's what I believe and no facts will ever change my mind.
Well, I suppose as long as Newt is white...
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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The boss bears full and total responsibility for whatever any of his employees do. The wrong doing happened on his watch. He gets to climb the scaffold.
If we hold management responsible for what the crew does, then perhaps they will be more careful in who they hire.
ruveyn
BS. Employees are human beings, not computer programs designed by their employer.
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http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/01/11/ ... il-for-it/
The boss bears full and total responsibility for whatever any of his employees do. The wrong doing happened on his watch. He gets to climb the scaffold.
If we hold management responsible for what the crew does, then perhaps they will be more careful in who they hire.
ruveyn
BS. Employees are human beings, not computer programs designed by their employer.
Seconded!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Even if they didn't. Even if they turned in forms for people who were dead or nonexistent.
What was the effect? Someone still has to show up at the polling place with valid ID.
That's just it though, dead and nonexistent people *do* vote all the time. That's nothing new either.
And if Acorn suspected that forms had been filled out as part of a conspiracy to commit voter fraud, what should they have done about it?
Can we assume that you haven't answered because there was nothing ACORN could legally do about it? They did as much as they could. If a form was suspect they put it in a different stack, but what the election staff do with the forms once they're picked up is out of ACORN's control.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/01/11/ ... il-for-it/
The boss bears full and total responsibility for whatever any of his employees do. The wrong doing happened on his watch. He gets to climb the scaffold.
If we hold management responsible for what the crew does, then perhaps they will be more careful in who they hire.
ruveyn
In that case Florida's governor should be in jail.
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The boss bears full and total responsibility for whatever any of his employees do. The wrong doing happened on his watch. He gets to climb the scaffold.
If we hold management responsible for what the crew does, then perhaps they will be more careful in who they hire.
ruveyn
In that case Florida's governor should be in jail.
Should be, but will he ever be? Jeb Bush may, after all, run for prez someday!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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The boss bears full and total responsibility for whatever any of his employees do. The wrong doing happened on his watch. He gets to climb the scaffold.
If we hold management responsible for what the crew does, then perhaps they will be more careful in who they hire.
ruveyn
In that case Florida's governor should be in jail.
Should be, but will he ever be? Jeb Bush may, after all, run for prez someday!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I'm talking about Florida's current medicare-fraudster governor who makes Jeb Bush look like Mother Teresa.
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I haven't answered because I can see that this is going in circles. Its pretty much a 'I'd rather feel x than y' kind of thing based on political affiliation and attitude on ACORN and what they stand for. I've done research on this, its been a while since I have so I'd have to go back and read more on them (which, this weekend I've had my hands full completing a heck of a tune - that takes priority), but overall my nonresponse was a sign that I just didn't feel like chasing it further - IMO it wasn't worth the effort.
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I haven't answered because I can see that this is going in circles. Its pretty much a 'I'd rather feel x than y' kind of thing based on political affiliation and attitude on ACORN and what they stand for. I've done research on this, its been a while since I have so I'd have to go back and read more on them (which, this weekend I've had my hands full completing a heck of a tune - that takes priority), but overall my nonresponse was a sign that I just didn't feel like chasing it further - IMO it wasn't worth the effort.
I just figure that ACORNs worst sin was helping poor people, and republicans hate that.
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I haven't answered because I can see that this is going in circles. Its pretty much a 'I'd rather feel x than y' kind of thing based on political affiliation and attitude on ACORN and what they stand for. I've done research on this, its been a while since I have so I'd have to go back and read more on them (which, this weekend I've had my hands full completing a heck of a tune - that takes priority), but overall my nonresponse was a sign that I just didn't feel like chasing it further - IMO it wasn't worth the effort.
I just figure that ACORNs worst sin was helping poor people, and republicans hate that.
Right, and that's why we can't have much of a conversation. We live in completely different worlds.
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“Love takes off the masks that we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within. I use the word "love" here not merely in the personal sense but as a state of being, or a state of grace - not in the infantile American sense of being made happy but in the tough and universal sense of quest and daring and growth.” - James Baldwin
I haven't answered because I can see that this is going in circles. Its pretty much a 'I'd rather feel x than y' kind of thing based on political affiliation and attitude on ACORN and what they stand for. I've done research on this, its been a while since I have so I'd have to go back and read more on them (which, this weekend I've had my hands full completing a heck of a tune - that takes priority), but overall my nonresponse was a sign that I just didn't feel like chasing it further - IMO it wasn't worth the effort.
I just figure that ACORNs worst sin was helping poor people, and republicans hate that.
Right, and that's why we can't have much of a conversation. We live in completely different worlds.
It's the same kind of cynical reasoning as when you hear conservatives saying Democrats want people on welfare so they will have votes. Or that "Occupy" protests and such are purely about "envy" and wanting other people's money. Maybe if both sides would simultaneously stop the simplistic emotionally projectory accusations there could be more dialog. The problem though is that even after dropping all the rhetorical pretext there's often still a fundamental divide over certain values that can't be resolved through acknowledging facts and utilitarian arguments.
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