Shoot first law: What could possibly go wrong?

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26 Mar 2012, 9:26 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
http://open.salon.com/blog/steve_klingaman/2012/02/28/veto_the_minnesota_shoot_first_law

"He was black and obviously a threat"
"I felt Jehova witnesses were a threat to my tranquility"
"He is a democrat, makes me feel threatened".
"I felt threatened by her, that's why I killed her just after we had sex".


this is the kind of nonsense that leads to unnecessary killing and injury. Almost all the wrongs and evils that humans do is self induced by way of delusion.

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27 Mar 2012, 1:07 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
Tadzio wrote:
D.G.U.: DANGEROUS GUN USAGE

Vexcalibur wrote:
http://open.salon.com/blog/steve_klingaman/2012/02/28/veto_the_minnesota_shoot_first_law

"He was black and obviously a threat"
"I felt Jehova witnesses were a threat to my tranquility"
"He is a democrat, makes me feel threatened".
"I felt threatened by her, that's why I killed her just after we had sex".


Hi Vexcalibur,

Flood practicalities with technicalities for:

Vexcalibur wrote:
By definition, murder can't be legal. Murder is illegal homicide. All places have situations in which it is legal to commit homicide. I guess Florida just added new ones and you don't agree with the change, but some context is needed.


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I am not sure what is the point you are trying to make with that double quote (or if there is a point at all). But I suspect you are being incapable of correctly understanding my post made in the other thread and somehow buy it as an endorsement or some lame idea. I was just saying, when killing people is legal, it is not murder, that does not necessarily mean I'd agree that it is an ethical homicide. In fact, I was criticizing the concept.


Hi Vexcalibur,

Besides the many recent & ongoing Florida court cases, the booklet at "See the SelectedWorks of Elizabeth B. Megale, April 2010"
"Making Murder Legal: How Laws Expanding Self-Defense Allow Criminals to 'Get Away with Murder'":
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... +Torres%22

includes the ending paragraph in the summary:

"Legislatures throughout the United States should heed the silent message from
the Florida courts: these statutes should not be followed. In enacting the 2005 laws, the
Florida legislature created protection for both criminal and legitimate self-defense acts.
The prior statutes protected only legitimate self-defense acts, the legitimacy of which
was determined by a jury. Now, the actual effect of Stand Your Ground, Castle
Doctrine, and Immunity working together is to allow criminals to get away with murder. "

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02 Apr 2012, 3:26 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
Yes, cause a law asking for something as subjective as "felt reasonably threatened" is not ever going to be abused in court to defend all sorts of murders and no jury would ever, ever fall to apply that view.

"He looked like a criminal!"


Hi Vexcalibur,

The article "Trayvon Martin’s death stalls Stand Your Ground Laws" by By Amanda J. Crawford, Published: March 29 | Updated: Saturday, March 31, 10:05 AM, March 30 (Bloomberg), cites "“Even in very gun-friendly states, this case is really going to cool prospects for ‘stand your ground’ laws,” Everitt said. “If they try to push this in new states, people are going to be like ‘Number one, we see this getting people killed, but number two, why?’ It creates a higher hurdle for their lobbying effort.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html

While the the "Stand Your Ground Law" supporters are saying things like “Laws don’t do bad things. People do bad things."........?!?!?!

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04 Apr 2012, 10:19 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2Vdcv9Q_o&feature=related[/youtube]



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04 Apr 2012, 4:59 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2Vdcv9Q_o&feature=related[/youtube]


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07 Apr 2012, 8:20 pm

CoMF wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2Vdcv9Q_o&feature=related[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woySeSNBL3o[/youtube]


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07 Apr 2012, 8:27 pm

Hi pandabear.



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07 Apr 2012, 8:42 pm

I think that as long as you shoot the enemy.....nah even then stuff could go wrong.