danica patrick called a b****
hyperlexian wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
A woman of her strength of will should consider that a complement, no?
See that's why I am such a critic of the feminist movement. They see being mean-spirited as being a plus when women are doing it, but as evil and oppressive when men are. They are actually trapped in the patriarchal mindset they despise so much in thinking that being aggressive and unforgiving equals being strong.
i am a feminist and i do not think it as a good thing to be mean-spiritied (nor do any of my feminist friends). you're making things up again instead of actually asking feminists what they think.
There are as many different kinds of feminists as there are political affiliations, and for the same reason.
blauSamstag wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
A woman of her strength of will should consider that a complement, no?
See that's why I am such a critic of the feminist movement. They see being mean-spirited as being a plus when women are doing it, but as evil and oppressive when men are. They are actually trapped in the patriarchal mindset they despise so much in thinking that being aggressive and unforgiving equals being strong.
i am a feminist and i do not think it as a good thing to be mean-spiritied (nor do any of my feminist friends). you're making things up again instead of actually asking feminists what they think.
There are as many different kinds of feminists as there are political affiliations, and for the same reason.
yes, exactly. which is why it does not make logical sense to tell feminists what "they" are thinking.
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Rhiannon0828 wrote:
I think that Danica's point about "Can't you refer to a female athelete as something other than sexy" was about wanting to be appreciated for her ability as a driver and not her body. When she's talking to reporters about racing, I think that's appropriate. If she was talking about her performance in a Go Daddy commercial, I'm sure she would appreciate being referred to as sexy, since that's what she's trying to achieve there. When she's talking about racing, "smart" or "skilled" or "competitive" would be more appropriate comments. I also think that the problem with the sportscaster's comment is that if she was a guy athelete, and he said he didn't like the way someone commented about him because it had nothing to do with his athletic performance, he wouldn't be called a d*** for it.
Her talents as a race car driver(a niche sport to begin with) are lacking when compared the actual amount of attention she gets. She is relevant because she is a pretty woman, that's the only reason people know her name. I wish sports media didn't do it but they do and she isn't the only one. I know way too much about Michelle Wie as well.
Jacoby wrote:
Rhiannon0828 wrote:
I think that Danica's point about "Can't you refer to a female athelete as something other than sexy" was about wanting to be appreciated for her ability as a driver and not her body. When she's talking to reporters about racing, I think that's appropriate. If she was talking about her performance in a Go Daddy commercial, I'm sure she would appreciate being referred to as sexy, since that's what she's trying to achieve there. When she's talking about racing, "smart" or "skilled" or "competitive" would be more appropriate comments. I also think that the problem with the sportscaster's comment is that if she was a guy athelete, and he said he didn't like the way someone commented about him because it had nothing to do with his athletic performance, he wouldn't be called a d*** for it.
Her talents as a race car driver(a niche sport to begin with) are lacking when compared the actual amount of attention she gets. She is relevant because she is a pretty woman, that's the only reason people know her name. I wish sports media didn't do it but they do and she isn't the only one. I know way too much about Michelle Wie as well.
Her talent is irrelevant. How good a driver she is has nothing to do with her physical appearance, which is what her point is.
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hyperlexian wrote:
female beauty is greatly prized, and studies have shown that we attribute (unearned) positive characteristics to attractive females by default. therefore if a female is noticeably unkind, unpleasant, or unintelligent, it runs counter to what people implicitly believe about those women. it is jarring to realise that a beautiful woman is really no different from any other individual, and she is just as likely to have negative personality characteristics as any other person.
so i think people are jarred by a beautiful woman who is unpleasant compared to an unattractive woman with the same characteristics.
so i think people are jarred by a beautiful woman who is unpleasant compared to an unattractive woman with the same characteristics.
Beautiful women don't have to to be pleasant, kind, or decent people. They know people will show them admiration simply because they are beautiful. That is, their looks give them social privileges that the rest of us don't get to have.
AspieRogue wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
female beauty is greatly prized, and studies have shown that we attribute (unearned) positive characteristics to attractive females by default. therefore if a female is noticeably unkind, unpleasant, or unintelligent, it runs counter to what people implicitly believe about those women. it is jarring to realise that a beautiful woman is really no different from any other individual, and she is just as likely to have negative personality characteristics as any other person.
so i think people are jarred by a beautiful woman who is unpleasant compared to an unattractive woman with the same characteristics.
so i think people are jarred by a beautiful woman who is unpleasant compared to an unattractive woman with the same characteristics.
Beautiful women don't have to to be pleasant, kind, or decent people. They know people will show them admiration simply because they are beautiful. That is, their looks give them social privileges that the rest of us don't get to have.
i don't know if they get privileges or not - i have not seen any studies about that (if you know of any that would be helpful to support your ideas). all i know is that people ascribe certain positive qualities to beautiful people (actually it's both men and women who are believed to have these qualities, not just women).
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Jacoby wrote:
heavenlyabyss wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Eh, it's a bit of cheap shot but Danica is pretty well known for her 'surly' demeanor. I don't even follow racing and know this just from watching Sportscenter over the years. The last guy was right, if she doesn't want people to attach the word sexy to her then maybe she should stop doing half naked commercials for GoDaddy.
I don't know, lots of male sports stars as well as female sports stars pose for playboy and such. I mean, David Beckham for one.
I get that it's a little hypocritical for her to pose and then get mad when being called "sexy" but I just guess the feeling that when someone tells you to back off you should just back off. If David Beckham told people to back off in a heartfelt way when women call him sexy I would expect people to respect his wishes. I mean, I realize this argument kind of sounds absurd in our modern day society, but just think about it.
I mean, the point is, that the newscaster made a fool of himself. Just look at him. He just acts like a fool. He is just breathing misogyny, it's not what he is saying, it is the way he is saying it. Like, how can he not realize how his comments will be interpreted by your average person?
I don't know how much you follow sports but the attention Danica gets doesn't match up with her actual abilities. The reason anybody even knows who she is, is because of her gender and her looks. The difference between David Beckham or Tom Brady, who certainly get described as sexy too, is that they actually have ability to warrant the attention they get. Danica is essentially the not as good looking Anna Kournikova of auto racing and has a less than pleasant personality.
Yeah, maybe. I don't watch auto racing. It was just shocking to see someone say such a thing on live tv.
There really is no male equivalent of the c word. You can call someone a dick or a jerk but the guy will usually just take it as a compliment or shrug it off. Somehow I think the c word and the b word are more offensive to women than any word that can be ascribed to a man.
heavenlyabyss wrote:
There really is no male equivalent of the c word. You can call someone a dick or a jerk but the guy will usually just take it as a compliment or shrug it off. Somehow I think the c word and the b word are more offensive to women than any word that can be ascribed to a man.
I wouldn't take it as a compliment, I would be very upset if someone called me a jerk or a dick. It would make me reflect on my behavior and think about maybe changing it.
The c word is only a big deal because it's not used commonly in North America. In Australia, they throw it around like it's nothing, though it usually refers to a male oddly enough.
One can refer to a male as a b***h and a c**t as well
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