Some thoughts on the term 'conspiracy theory' and 'skeptic'

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I look at 9/11 the same way I look at Pearl Harbor: The President knew it was going to happen and was warned that it was going to happen. Yet, it was allowed to happen since it served as a handy back door into a war nobody really wanted and a convenient justification for the curtailing of civil liberties. I wouldn't exactly call this empirical truth, but it's certainly more plausible than the "inside job" theory.

http://demandnothing.org/a-quick-and-di ... -truthers/

Those who can not support their opinions with empirical evidence often resort to name-calling.

What's more plausible is that due to the lack of coordination in the sharing of intel between the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA, President George W. Bush was completely ignorant of the events until they happened, thus pre-empting any preventative measures that could have been taken to prevent those 19 religious fanatics from pulling off the most heinous terrorist acts.

I think I posted about 9/11 already on another thread you made. You can tell I was on the thread, because they tend to die when I post since no one likes to talk to me.

I posted my response here. No one believes you anymore except for some Internet people and Muslims. 9/11 Truthers are dead in the water, and stay afloat by people like you who refuse to actually change your views given scientific evidence.

Bush not let 9/11 happen. 9/11 was not enough for us to go to Iraq. That took years. Bush had a personal vendetta against Saddam and would have gone to war immediately with him if he could, probably more so than Afghanistan. It was a known fact that Russia was threatening to intervene when we tried to kill him the first time; 9/11 would have served as a cover to go to war and finish the job since Russia was more than likely to stay away, but it did not happen.

Last edited by HerrGrimm on 15 Mar 2012, 8:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

haha, I forgot that thread

Oh really?

Afghanistan has a massive opium source for alien drug dealers to suck endorphins out of victims' bodies for the intergalactic drug trade. Don't look at me like that, any knowledgeable person knows that the attempt to expose this was crushed by the government into a bad Dolph Lundgren movie.

Iraq was needed for its oil. It is a little known fact that oil is needed to make iron-enriched flour. This flour can be used to make Twinkies, which is the perfect vector for space transport since every American knows they never spoil. Cream is dirt cheap, so you just put the endorphins in the cream filling, and off it goes.

That is what it really is about. In its earliest operation, a batch of Twinkies actually made it into the general population, and someone got killed because of a "rush".

Sorry you got the wrong conspiracy theory there, buddy.

That is just untrue about Pearl Harbor. There were unclear signs that indicated Pearl Harbour might be attacked at some point. Compare/contrast with the fact that there was an acknowledged invasion force headed for South East Asia, with a navy task force, ground assault troops, the lot. Everyone knew the Japanese would attack, but expected it in Malaya, the Dutch Indies, the Philipinnes or Guam (in the end, all of the above, + Pearl Harbor).

Pearl Harbor was a great achievement by the Japanese, not a plot by FDR. [/debate]

That was brilliant.

It's reactions like this that make my posting worth it.

I wouldn't say I was that hostile would you?

Then what about all the whistleblowers for UFOs? What really is SO crazy about the possibility of intelligent life visiting us? I mean, we travel through space even with our relatively primitive technology, the vast majority of scientists think there is other life in the universe, so why is the idea we've been visited such as extraordinary claim? I would say it fits way more in with the materialist viewpoint of the Universe than the existence of angels or something like that. But most people wouldn't consider the belief in angels a crazy belief because in America most people actually believe in angels.

Well, let us visit some of the problems with intelligent life visiting Earth:

1. The universe is big. No, seriously. The universe is brain-blowingly freaking huge on a scale that threatens to shred conventional sanity. Getting anywhere, even at light speed, takes forever.

2. Light speed (which, mind you, still takes forever to get anywhere - hell, it takes eight entire minutes for the light from the sun to reach us on Earth) is the maximum speed that we can get anything to go at until or unless we see evidence to the contrary.

3. Even if you do go faster than light, you'll shred time to the point where you'll literally arrive before you left. Yes, even if you fold space to do it.

Which essentially means that if you're traveling through the cosmos to go someplace, it had better be someplace of incredible importance, since at best you're throwing a bunch of people in freezers and thawing them out when you arrive (bajillions of years later). From what we can tell of the known universe, the only resource Earth would have of that level of importance is life itself - something intelligent life from another world already has plenty of.

Take 9/11. What about the fact that Cheney wouldn't swear under oath about certain events on that day? What about the fact that our government has considered similar false flags in the past? What about the fact that we went straight to burying Bin Laden at sea and that we never get a clear view of his face in the video taken at his compound? What about the fact Bin Laden was wanted for the Embassy Bombings and not for 9/11?

What about the fact that the government has done war games with the same kind of scenario that happened, yet Condoleeza Rice said 'we could have never imagined they would fly planes into buildings?' What about the fact Bohemian Grove (which is NOT a conspiracy theory, there is no question it exists) hosts members of the 9/11 commission?

I myself don't completely believe either the official story or the conspiracy story of 9/11, I would say both stories fail to explain the events of that day well. There's no way it's a 'crazy belief' though, I would say that the real crazy belief is the belief in American exceptionalism.

I would say that our understanding of psychics is still so primitive and early that we can't make any assumptions about how far extraterrestrials could travel. It wasn't that long ago that people said the airplane could never be invented, because nothing heavier than air could fly.