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13 Apr 2012, 2:47 am

Lord_Gareth wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

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Hey, as long as they're not hurting anyone or trying to push their crap on anyone else people can believe in whatever fairytale nonsense they want IMO.

That was tolerance until you got to the end.

Tolerance means you let people do something. It doesn't mean that you like it, agree with it, accept it as legitimate, or fail to act against it.

EXACTLY like YOU said, Ragtime. Keep up! YOU YOURSELF said that you cannot pretend to respect. The highest level of tolerance that someone like you can EVER get from people of no faith is that we accept the fact that you have the right to be deluded and stubborn.

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13 Apr 2012, 5:14 am

Lord_Gareth wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

Hey, as long as they're not hurting anyone or trying to push their crap on anyone else people can believe in whatever fairytale nonsense they want IMO.

That was tolerance until you got to the end.

Tolerance means you let people do something. It doesn't mean that you like it, agree with it, accept it as legitimate, or fail to act against it. I tolerate Christianity. I also think it's fairytale nonsense at best and a creeping, communicable mental disease at worst. As long as I continue to recognize my fellow human beings' rights to be Christian, however, I am tolerant. Saying it's about as sane as believing in flying unicorns that conjure miraculous toasters is just expressing my belief thereupon.

Exactly. I don't need to pretend it's anything but complete nonsense to be able to tolerate other people disagreeing with that. Each to their own.

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13 Apr 2012, 5:27 am

So what would you do at the point of dying if God said OK here I am, take your choice? Live with me in eternity or not. I gather a lot of people here would take their chances without God. That really is the crux of the matter. Is it really God's fault if you choose to reject Him?

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13 Apr 2012, 5:29 am

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I hate to bring you bad news. When we are dead, we are gone and done with forever.

Once around is all anyone gets. There is no hereafter. That is why we must use our pitiful 70, 80, or 90 years wisely.

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13 Apr 2012, 5:45 am

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Pascal's Wager? Really?

No, it is not God's fault if you choose to reject him, but since he doesn't exist it is entirely YOUR fault if you waste your only life on god.
The way I see it you are the one taking the ultimate chance. You don't get two chances of this very real life, and you're betting on an afterlife that nobody has ever seen as much as a glimpse of.

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13 Apr 2012, 6:31 am

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What would you do at the point of dying if Zeus said how can you choosed to worship the non-existent 'god' instead of me?

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13 Apr 2012, 8:39 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

Hey, as long as they're not hurting anyone or trying to push their crap on anyone else people can believe in whatever fairytale nonsense they want IMO.

That was tolerance until you got to the end.

"IMO" is not "tolerance?"

No, I meant the "crap" and "fairytale nonsense" bit. It was about as tolerant as a spitting cobra is.

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13 Apr 2012, 8:43 am

Lord_Gareth wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

Hey, as long as they're not hurting anyone or trying to push their crap on anyone else people can believe in whatever fairytale nonsense they want IMO.

That was tolerance until you got to the end.

Tolerance means you let people do something.

That's one definition. But a different definition is used whenever people protest outside an abortion clinic, or have anti-gay protests. The protesters are letting people do what they want, so they're tolerant by your definition. But they're always called "intolerant". And that is the definition I was using in my post. Gareth was intolerant in the same way anti-abortion and anti-gay protesters are.

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13 Apr 2012, 8:50 am

Ragtime wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

Hey, as long as they're not hurting anyone or trying to push their crap on anyone else people can believe in whatever fairytale nonsense they want IMO.

That was tolerance until you got to the end.

"IMO" is not "tolerance?"

No, I meant the "crap" and "fairytale nonsense" bit. It was about as tolerant as a spitting cobra is.

then telling people your views through your religious glasses would be excactly the same, while i personallly would love to be able to condemn religious views like that there is no justification to do it.
you might not realize it but that feeling you have at those words are how i feel in the face of most religious comment, it debases a perfectly good reality with its nonsense

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13 Apr 2012, 8:52 am

Grebels wrote:

Wasn't it Lenin who thrust his fist up angrily toward Heaven just before dying? Just like Job's wife's brilliant advice to her ailing husband: "Curse God and die". :roll:

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13 Apr 2012, 8:57 am

"A belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary."

Quick question: what's that the definition of, religion or delusion? Or is there just no difference? :wink:

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13 Apr 2012, 9:01 am

Ragtime wrote:

Grebels wrote:

Wasn't it Lenin who thrust his fist up angrily toward Heaven just before dying? Just like Job's wife's brilliant advice to her ailing husband: "Curse God and die". :roll:

So the old testament is OK to quote if it fits your agenda, but if "we" do it you can ignore it? OK, taking notes.

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13 Apr 2012, 9:25 am

Ragtime wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

Hey, as long as they're not hurting anyone or trying to push their crap on anyone else people can believe in whatever fairytale nonsense they want IMO.

That was tolerance until you got to the end.

"IMO" is not "tolerance?"

No, I meant the "crap" and "fairytale nonsense" bit. It was about as tolerant as a spitting cobra is.

So it is acceptable for you to call all atheists foolish in this very thread but you bleat and cry when someone implies that your cherished delusion is 'fairytale nonsense'?

Double standard much?

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13 Apr 2012, 12:41 pm

DC wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

Hey, as long as they're not hurting anyone or trying to push their crap on anyone else people can believe in whatever fairytale nonsense they want IMO.

That was tolerance until you got to the end.

"IMO" is not "tolerance?"

No, I meant the "crap" and "fairytale nonsense" bit. It was about as tolerant as a spitting cobra is.

So it is acceptable for you to call all atheists foolish in this very thread but you bleat and cry when someone implies that your cherished delusion is 'fairytale nonsense'?

Double standard much?

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13 Apr 2012, 1:52 pm

To be religious all you need is faith which is stronger then any form of skepticism all the insults about my faith will not change my mind or convert me to being non religious I would be willing to die for my faith I can't say many people would be willing to die for being a non theist.

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