So whats good about this society?

Post Reply New Topic

I still don't really understand how this indicates good things about this society. No government is perfect so society is great?

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 28 Aug 2012, 11:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I am not sure if that is actually a product of this society, I suppose it would be intresting to look up.

It seems like it's not great a lot of the time. The good thing about it is you exist in it and you have to deal with it which sounds ironic but it's good to be alive. It's better than the alternative. You get to participate in it and try to change it. You can make your own little world, carve out a niche for yourself. You could be a true artist type and these types have the opportunity to make a sub-society within the broader one. You could create your own sub culture. The ideas are limitless. I know you have the potential because you already are keen on something not being right about where you are. This intuition can inspire you to bring your vision to earth.

I don't really see what potential other than just being one of the people who is unhappy in this society and would probably not be too upset if it went out of existence.

That's why you create your own little society and ignore the broader one. This is the genesis of the counter culture. The broader society will never stop existing but you might be able to influence it by creating your own counter culture. Artists do this on a routine basis.

Hmm I am not really an artist and I pretty much suck at social interaction...so I don't see how I personally could create my own little society and/or counter culture but yes it is true it happens. But if the larger society will continue existing the way it then that kind of defeats the purpose I would imagine.

You have an interest in music so that's a good starting point. Just start building around the music scene and the people who like it as much as you. That way you can have your own clique. A lot of people into music are not that great at socializing either.

Exactly F**k society. It ain't even worth the time to try and fix it.

From my experience the vast majority of humans want to be in cliques, but if it's not your thing, that's cool. Just be happy with what you have and what you want. That's the most important thing.

But most music I like already has its own subculture or whatever....so it wouldn't really make sense to start what already exists and consider it the most innovative counter culture yet. Point is though such sub-cultures are really about the music not so much anything else.

Then the other major issue is, the mainstream society still effects people negatively even people who are part of a sub-culture.

How does one 'be happy' if they are living in an unhealthy environment(society) that brings them down? I mean I am quite happy with what I 'have' but I am not happy living in a society that from my perspective causes more problems than it solves.

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 29 Aug 2012, 1:40 am, edited 2 times in total.

The subculture is more for artists or people who create stuff.

Okay, I'm confused. Do you want to be a part of society or be separate and if you want to be separate, doesn't that imply you are complacent with it?

Yeah that is kind of what I am leaning towards....I mean if anything trying to change society is more likely to get one lots of negative press and/or arrested for whatever reason the authorities can pull out of their ass. But then how does one break away completely from society when it takes up so much freaking room? or so it seems.

Things will get worse before they get better
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars
Be in this world, but not of this world
blah blah blah
when your ego is cracked/cracking
you will no longer require power plants
Its just a ride

Paradise Circus video below, with my favourite aspie singer, Hope Sandoval.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzuPs25tCwQ[/youtube]

What I think is the best thing about this society (I am American, like you) is that it is very young with almost no traditions and therefore very open to change. It is the place where people come to re-invent themselves and make little sub-cultures that they couldn't make in their country of origen ( historic example, the Puritans). Many of these sub-cultures are in conflict with each other which keeps the country moving forward and ever-changing. It's not a static place. I think this is its' greatest strength.






Can you expand. I have my own ideas of what is disgusting and you have yours and other people have theirs. It may be that what you consider disgusting is also something I would like to change. Or it may be that what you consider disgusting is something I am actively embracing and will fight to keep. This is so subjective.



Some possibilities:

1)An unhealthy society is driving people crazy- I don't agree that it is society at large but I think there are micro-enviroments which can cause mental illness, damaging the people who grow up in them. There was an affordable housing complex- was it in Chicago?- that was designed (unintentionally) in a way that caused social and psychological problems to many people living in it. It has since been torn down. Posters well versed in sociology may know what I'm talking about. I wish I could remember the name., It is but one example of a damaging micro-enviroment.

2)Mental states that were not previously considered mental illness or are not considered mental illness elsewhere in the world are getting that label here in the U.S. A possible example is ADHD.

3)A variation on the toxic micro-enviroment is the enviromental toxin(s). There may be physical things that we are ingesting and shouldn't be or aren't ingesting and should be that mess up brain chemistry. This would be bound by geography and government policies of what is or isn't allowed in the enviroment.

4)Normal human variation in brain chemistry might predispose many people to what we call mental illness but a particular enviroment prevents that from happening or makes it less pathological. I have heard arguments that the forward-thinking and always-changing, individuality-focused society that I praised in the first paragraph can tip some people over into depression or other pathological states because they aren't anchored by the stability of strong traditions and an unchanging community.