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Are Muslims the Biggest threat to the modern world?
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05 Sep 2012, 6:51 am

Wow, I thought WrongPlanet was better than this. If you were asking if Islam was a threat, maybe that would kinda be reasonable in a way, at least then you're disagreeing with the religion instead of actual people. Islamism being a threat, no problem there. But Muslims being a threat to the modern world? Not Al-Qaida or the Taliban or even Iran, but all Muslims? Yeah, because obviously I spend my weekends constructing explosives and stoning adulterers, right? Being a decent American citizen who obeys the law and thinks people have the right to freedom of religion is just a ruse, I suppose. After all, obviously Osama bin Laden is a perfect representation of millions of people. But there's no way anyone could suggest Joseph Kony had anything to do with normal Christians, for example. No no no, that would be intolerant. :roll:

Grow up. There will always be nutcases willing to use any religion as an justification for evil, please don't judge the rest of us by their actions.



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05 Sep 2012, 7:38 am

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Wow, I thought WrongPlanet was better than this. If you were asking if Islam was a threat, maybe that would kinda be reasonable in a way, at least then you're disagreeing with the religion instead of actual people. Islamism being a threat, no problem there. But Muslims being a threat to the modern world? Not Al-Qaida or the Taliban or even Iran, but all Muslims? Yeah, because obviously I spend my weekends constructing explosives and stoning adulterers, right? Being a decent American citizen who obeys the law and thinks people have the right to freedom of religion is just a ruse, I suppose. After all, obviously Osama bin Laden is a perfect representation of millions of people. But there's no way anyone could suggest Joseph Kony had anything to do with normal Christians, for example. No no no, that would be intolerant. :roll:

Grow up. There will always be nutcases willing to use any religion as an justification for evil, please don't judge the rest of us by their actions.


great post,

i agree 100%

unfortunately on here some people think they are justified in some of the worst behavior humanity has to offer, often its the people that are so far off that no one has a chance of reaching them in the first place, making it almost impossible to do anything about the irrational behavior when it ensues.


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05 Sep 2012, 7:39 am

Cei wrote:
Wow, I thought WrongPlanet was better than this. If you were asking if Islam was a threat, maybe that would kinda be reasonable in a way, at least then you're disagreeing with the religion instead of actual people. Islamism being a threat, no problem there. But Muslims being a threat to the modern world? Not Al-Qaida or the Taliban or even Iran, but all Muslims? Yeah, because obviously I spend my weekends constructing explosives and stoning adulterers, right? Being a decent American citizen who obeys the law and thinks people have the right to freedom of religion is just a ruse, I suppose. After all, obviously Osama bin Laden is a perfect representation of millions of people. But there's no way anyone could suggest Joseph Kony had anything to do with normal Christians, for example. No no no, that would be intolerant. :roll:

Grow up. There will always be nutcases willing to use any religion as an justification for evil, please don't judge the rest of us by their actions.


I'm not suggesting that all Muslims in the West are suicide bombers, genital mutilators and fanatical lunatics. Far from it.

There's a worrying minority though that does agree with homophobia, and anti-Semitism and terrorism (even if not carrying it out), and it's not necessarily small in Britain and I believe it's that that's a cause for concern. The majority Muslim population needs to be given help to ostracise and deal with the extremists that exist. Being able to laugh at these weirdy-beardy fanatics (as well as making sure that others, like elements of the EDL aren't left out) rather than trying to mollify them would be a good start.



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05 Sep 2012, 8:36 am

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There's a worrying minority though that does agree with homophobia, and anti-Semitism and terrorism (even if not carrying it out), and it's not necessarily small in Britain and I believe it's that that's a cause for concern. The majority Muslim population needs to be given help to ostracise and deal with the extremists that exist. Being able to laugh at these weirdy-beardy fanatics (as well as making sure that others, like elements of the EDL aren't left out) rather than trying to mollify them would be a good start.


While the majority of Muslims in industrialized countries like Britain, Canada and the U.S. are generally law abiding, they still have not learned to spit out the fanatics from among them. The result is that fanatics can circulate freely and safely in the law abiding Muslim communities. Law abiding Muslims must learn to reject the fanatics and to call them out as lawbreakers, wrong doers and criminals.

As long as non-fanatic Muslims abide by omerte (the code of silence) they constitute a danger to the society at large.

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05 Sep 2012, 8:43 am

My comments are basically a response to people who think only Christians are intolerant.

It was based on the way both religions deal with the rights of women and LGBT people.


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05 Sep 2012, 10:25 am

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NOBODY wants muslims in the UK except the traitor politicians and a few bleeding heart do gooders.
99% of the population is sick of none stop muslim immigration.


I think most people don't give a crap about Muslims as long as they integrate (i.e. , obey the law and keep their religion to themselves without demanding special treatment over and above any other citizen.

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I would put every single one of them on a leaky boat first thing in the morning and good riddance.


You can shove your bigoted BNP rhetoric up your arse, frankly. British Muslims are as welcome here as any other citizen (it's their home and Britain is where they belong ), as long as they adhere to the terms and conditions above. Doesn't mean we have to welcome any more immigrants though.



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05 Sep 2012, 11:36 am

Cei wrote:
Wow, I thought WrongPlanet was better than this. If you were asking if Islam was a threat, maybe that would kinda be reasonable in a way, at least then you're disagreeing with the religion instead of actual people. Islamism being a threat, no problem there. But Muslims being a threat to the modern world? Not Al-Qaida or the Taliban or even Iran, but all Muslims? Yeah, because obviously I spend my weekends constructing explosives and stoning adulterers, right? Being a decent American citizen who obeys the law and thinks people have the right to freedom of religion is just a ruse, I suppose. After all, obviously Osama bin Laden is a perfect representation of millions of people. But there's no way anyone could suggest Joseph Kony had anything to do with normal Christians, for example. No no no, that would be intolerant. :roll:

Grow up. There will always be nutcases willing to use any religion as an justification for evil, please don't judge the rest of us by their actions.



Do you believe religious freedom also applies to people who are born Muslim and want to apostate themselves?


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05 Sep 2012, 11:41 am

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Do you believe religious freedom also applies to people who are born Muslim and want to apostate themselves?


Good question. This question can be asked of a lot of Muslims (and Christians) who go on about religious freedom. That's the litmus test I think. If they fail it, we can stick them with all the other religious bigots out there.



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05 Sep 2012, 11:55 am

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Do you believe religious freedom also applies to people who are born Muslim and want to apostate themselves?


Good question. This question can be asked of a lot of Muslims (and Christians) who go on about religious freedom. That's the litmus test I think. If they fail it, we can stick them with all the other religious bigots out there.


The sad thing is that the majority of Muslims scholars call on apostasy to be punished by either death or imprisonment until you 'repent'. People are told by their leaders that the intolerant interpretation of their scripture is the correct one.


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05 Sep 2012, 11:57 am

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The sad thing is that the majority of Muslims scholars call on apostasy to be punished by either death or imprisonment until you 'repent'.


Charming.

Can you repent when you are dead? That's a bit of a tricky one.*

* I know what you meant. ;)



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05 Sep 2012, 2:58 pm

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Cei wrote:
Wow, I thought WrongPlanet was better than this. If you were asking if Islam was a threat, maybe that would kinda be reasonable in a way, at least then you're disagreeing with the religion instead of actual people. Islamism being a threat, no problem there. But Muslims being a threat to the modern world? Not Al-Qaida or the Taliban or even Iran, but all Muslims? Yeah, because obviously I spend my weekends constructing explosives and stoning adulterers, right? Being a decent American citizen who obeys the law and thinks people have the right to freedom of religion is just a ruse, I suppose. After all, obviously Osama bin Laden is a perfect representation of millions of people. But there's no way anyone could suggest Joseph Kony had anything to do with normal Christians, for example. No no no, that would be intolerant. :roll:

Grow up. There will always be nutcases willing to use any religion as an justification for evil, please don't judge the rest of us by their actions.



Do you believe religious freedom also applies to people who are born Muslim and want to apostate themselves?


Yes, I do. I don't think there's any situation in the modern world that the shari'ah punishment is applicable to, and in general, the rule against compulsion still applies. That is, no one can be forced to be Muslim, regardless of what religion they were raised to believe.



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05 Sep 2012, 5:24 pm

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That is, no one can be forced to be Muslim, regardless of what religion they were raised to believe.


I disagree.

You can be ruled over by people who violently believe in a certain doctrine (not necessarily Islam) and who will kill anyone who tries to dissent (in any way, either orally, through gestures, clothing, music, et al), or to question, or tries to do their own research, or to leave its grip.

So Islam (or Christianity) can be imposed upon people.

If I put on my car stereo and put my music on, which one person in the car hates, are they being forced to listen to it even if they can "tune it out"? Even though they can still hear it and they still hate my choice of music?

What would you call the situation that holds in much of Afghanistan? Or Saudi Arabia? (I'm aware that liberal Muslims probably get Saudi Arabia thrown at them a bit, a bit like a lot of Jews get stick from anti-Israel/anti-Semitic people, but it's worth asking.)



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05 Sep 2012, 5:48 pm

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Yes, I do. I don't think there's any situation in the modern world that the shari'ah punishment is applicable to, and in general, the rule against compulsion still applies. That is, no one can be forced to be Muslim, regardless of what religion they were raised to believe.


What's different about the modern world that makes the punishment not applicable, then?


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05 Sep 2012, 6:38 pm

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Islam would be fairly easy and painless to deal with if the politicians weren't so gutless. It certainly wouldn't require atrocities or entire ethnic groups being deported or murdered - well, not on the part of the West anyway. If the people were allowed to decide their own destiny in Europe Islam would immediately lose.

It's the political class and the media that are feeding Islam, not the people. Islam is about as welcome to many in the West as any other invasion.



I agree with every word.
In the UK our spineless politicians are turning our country into an islamic cess pit.

NOBODY wants muslims in the UK except the traitor politicians and a few bleeding heart do gooders.
99% of the population is sick of none stop muslim immigration.

I would put every single one of them on a leaky boat first thing in the morning and good riddance.

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Will it take a muslim surgeon to perform a life saving operation on you before you stop jabbering on like a total berk?



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05 Sep 2012, 7:43 pm

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Cei wrote:
Yes, I do. I don't think there's any situation in the modern world that the shari'ah punishment is applicable to, and in general, the rule against compulsion still applies. That is, no one can be forced to be Muslim, regardless of what religion they were raised to believe.


What's different about the modern world that makes the punishment not applicable, then?


do christians still kill entire villages to steal the virgins?

no(at least not int he west that i know of), well theres your answer.

life happens, as time passes the behaviors in a religion that no longer hold relevance (for an example integrated muslims in the west) it simply doesnt happen, even if the scriptural evidence is still there.


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