Feminists whats your opinion on men that have been victims

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I guess in a way most people are generally good but only in their early years as babies, however overtime they become twisted and corrupt and no longer are good. Perhaps a tiny glimmer of goodness may still exist but in only a small percentage of the population. When people are still very good and show it others have trouble coping with that and view them as weak and gullible therefore making it an excuse to attack that person and feel temporary satisfaction out of it

That is a hypothesis what have you done to check it?

IDK about him but I have done puh-len-ty over the last 16 years to put this to the test by assuming it to be true. I cannot even keep track of all the selfish things other people have done that came at my expense. And FYI, just because someone is selfish most of the time, or if someone who appears to be altruistic takes advantage of certain people at certain times, does NOT make them a sociopath! I'm sorry if the life experiences of AspieOtaku and myself do not fit your worldview, but that's not our problem.

By dealing with years of abuse as well as observing former friends growing up.At first they are kind but slowly over time they change and become a different person and corrupt with hateful intentions.Similar to why people become bullies.

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Too small of a sample and a huge sample bias.
I suggest you find a method of correcting this random sampling is the industry standard.

JakobVirgil, you are the one who made the claim that most people are 'good'. Therefore, YOU are the one who bears the burden of proof to demonstrate your claims! I am not claiming the contrary, I was providing counterexamples from persona experience. Another thing to remember is that you CANNOT prove anything with statistics. Hope that helps.

The biggest problem is the definition of "good". Hell, I'm not even that good with philosophy but just between various form of deontological ethics I could argue at least 3 or 4 different definitions. That leaves out consequentialism and pragmatic ethics. Heck, even if we could decide on "good", we'd have to come to an agreement on whether we want to speak in terms of individual good or collective good, then universalism, absolutism, we could go on for days.

A somewhat smaller problem is that determining whether or not people are "mostly" "good" from an empirical point of view is difficult. Not only due to the definition itself, but also due to the severe limitations of any experiments or statistics.

The problem with the experiments are the conditions surrounding them.
The problem with statistics that there are too many independent variables that can distort the picture given, and that's not even touching on the manipulation that can be done consciously or unconsciously by the person making them.

A slightly larger example over time working in customer service, retail and fast food, I have noticed there have been customers or people as it were who decide to abuse employees such as myself to make them selves feel better about themselves knowing we cannot retaliate without fear of being fired from our occupations. There are some that become hostile and abusive due to simply having a bad day so they feel it is ok to let all their hatred and anger out on those who work low end jobs because they think that low end workers are deemed less than human and have no emotions. As time goes by me as well as others absorb the daily rage and hatred and some of us allow the hatred over time to consume us, thus becoming monsters who will bully and exploit others as well. If that is not convincing enough I will use examples of history studied and why wars are waged take a look at history like Hitler for example he may have started out good as a child but over years of being oppressed and treated sub human and after writing the book "my struggle" he became corrupt and hateful of others and as a result he became a hateful dictator as well as a monster wanting to kill millions. If this does not help enough I am sorry maybe asking a shrink who works with convicts from prison may be more convincing most people may start out good and innocent until over time they become corrupt and are no longer good, it depends on the persons environment, upbringing , followed by the persons choices he or she makes.

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Great thread.

And there are many definitions of good and evil, btw. A victim of any crime or abuse doesn't have to rely on one definition of good to feel victimized by an evil committed onto them.

I think that in this context, what JakobVirgil meant by "good" is altruistic by nature and inclined to treat people well when they are treated well.

That's reciprocal altruism, which is in essence what I've been talking about throughout my posts, which is more of a "tit for tat" mechanism, than an inclination to act in a "good" way. However, how do we decide how to treat people well? If we go by the "do onto others" philosophy, that means that we view the whole world through our own subjective lens, with the effect that we treat people as we would like to be treated, which is not necessarily how they would like to be treated.

Well, to me good people are those who reciprocate altruism and threat others with respect by default. How do we decide how to treat people well? For one it involves something called consideration which means regarding that other persons needs, wants, and feelings as as important as your own. A good person treats you the way you want to be treated and in return expects you to do the same for them.

No, I think people tend to be altruistic even when they are treated badly.

Well I for one am not one of them. And based on years of observations IRL I see that most people do not behave that way unless they are foolish and/or have extremely low self esteem. I also observe people who have been treated well behaving selfishly towards others; and this includes taking advantage of those they perceive as weak.

I do wonder if you have ever worked a low paying job in the service sector like cheap retail or fast food where you have to deal with customers who are quite often rude to you for no apparent reason. While I personally haven't, I know people who have and that is what they tell me. Also, people who work for a government bureaucracy are often very rude because they know that customer complaints are backlogged and they aren't going to lose their job so easily.

Just because you are a sociopath does not mean everyone else is.
I think you may be caught in a theory of mind problem.