Buying all the gold?
the only problem with investing in rare earth elements as a long term investment is that the limiting factor is the price of energy and labour that goes into it, the background concetration of most rare earths arent that much lower than the high yield ores we get them from today to save on energy and labour.
so if energy prices fell or they found a less labour intensive method it could essentially mean a rather dramatic fall in price, especially since many of the rarer metals are only used in fairly low and constant quantities.
that said for any investment that is planned to run for less than 10 years that shouldnt be an issue.
if you are looking for a 30 year investment iw ould have to be silver, no background concentration to speak of and as far as i know it only exists in very specific areas and only at the surface at that.
Commodity Production Reserves Resource Base Reserves Resource Base
(………Metric Tons………..) (… .Years Remaining…)
Aluminum 30 million unlimited unlimited 100+ 100+
Copper 14 million 470 million 940 million 33+ 67+
Lead 2.6 million 67 million 140 million 23 48
Nickel 1.4 million 62 million 140 million 44 100
Zinc 8.5 million 220 million 460 million 26 54
Silver 20,000 270,000 570,000 14 29
Gold 2600 43,000 89,000 17 34
PGM 350 70,000 80,000 200 200+
(Platinum+Paladium)
dunno how accurate they actually are
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I like the idea of commodity based money. Quantities are limited by nature and amounts are bounded by the cost of extraction.
I would propose two new commodity based currencies. 1. currency based on gold. 2. currency based on oil.
So, what to call them.
Well since gold is measured in troy ounces let us call the unit of gold based currency The Trojan.
Since most oil comes from Arabia and the Emirates let us call the unit of oil based currency The Sheik
Now when you look at your wallet filled with Trojans and Sheiks you are well reminded of what the Bankers and the Arabs are doing to you.
ruveyn
I understood the real estate problem too years ago. I tried to explain it unsuccessfully to people, I likened it to squeezing blood out of a turnip, the people loading up on real estate as the turnips and the banks the blood squeezers. I said the turnips just could not possible live long enough to give anywhere close to the expected amounts the banks wanted, I said this is not going to work out. I did not know about credit default swaps, which were grossly under priced. I remember telling people they would be much better off renting, real estate was way over priced, they replied you cant loose on real estate, real estate never goes down. Really at the time no one would listen, real estate greed had taken over the brain.
As far as gold goes it is near an all time high now. You can short it at times but derivatives are fairly priced, its very hard to make any money this way. I have done this but it is a pure speck trade to me. I do only with pocket change size. Maybe its just for personal entertainment. When all the sheep are baying buy gold buy gold and the price just went through a parabolic rise it just begs short me.
Here my opinion on gold, 100% personal opinion. I am looking at GLD the ETF. I am looking at the option chain, the near month volatility is 15-16%. If your going to outright buy something with a low volatility you could get a lot of stocks that pay a nice dividend. Remember gold does not pay a dividend every quarter.
You could try an American natural gas play. Its under priced. You could buy good dividend paying natural gas stocks.
DO NOT buy UNG, you will loose money.
During the FDR administrations it was illegal to possess gold bars and gold coin. They had to be turned in for federal notes. Only limited amounts of gold could be possessed for jewel making, dental fillings and other technical uses. This effectively took the U.S. off the gold standard in domestic transactions. The international gold window was closed during the first Nixon administration.
ruveyn
During the FDR administrations it was illegal to possess gold bars and gold coin. They had to be turned in for federal notes. Only limited amounts of gold could be possessed for jewel making, dental fillings and other technical uses. This effectively took the U.S. off the gold standard in domestic transactions. The international gold window was closed during the first Nixon administration.
ruveyn
Numismatic coins were free and clear, though. I've heard it said that in an economic crisis, the government could hypothetically pull the same stunt. My understanding is that monetary gold leaves a paper/data trail, where as numismatic gold does not. You have a solid chance of keeping your gold by staying out of the monetary gold market.
Of course, it might be a smart thing to keep a supply of aqua regia precursors on hand just in case. In an emergency, just drop your gold right in and hide your containers in plain sight. Once the crisis is over, reduce the solution back to elemental gold.
And I suppose you also like the idea of a deflationary spiral too, huh..............
Because money based on a commodity(Gold) is what triggered the great depression. The government needs to have the ability to increase the money supply and inflate currency which is why Nixon wisely took us off the Gold standard and prevented yet another depression.
And I suppose you also like the idea of a deflationary spiral too, huh..............
Because money based on a commodity(Gold) is what triggered the great depression. The government needs to have the ability to increase the money supply and inflate currency which is why Nixon wisely took us off the Gold standard and prevented yet another depression.
What is wrong with things getting less and less expensive?:
That means any money saved has more buying power in the future.
ruveyn
And I suppose you also like the idea of a deflationary spiral too, huh..............
Because money based on a commodity(Gold) is what triggered the great depression. The government needs to have the ability to increase the money supply and inflate currency which is why Nixon wisely took us off the Gold standard and prevented yet another depression.
What is wrong with things getting less and less expensive?:
That means any money saved has more buying power in the future.
ruveyn
Nothing is wrong with it all and it's certainly good news for consumers. But when currency deflates, people save rather than spend and the economy slows down and grinds to a halt. Inflation isn't always bad as long as it's controlled. The current threat to the American economy is hyperinflation, which makes things too expensive for anyone to afford and has a similar effect. To make an economy work, you need to give people an incentive to spend as much as they can.
And I suppose you also like the idea of a deflationary spiral too, huh..............
Because money based on a commodity(Gold) is what triggered the great depression. The government needs to have the ability to increase the money supply and inflate currency which is why Nixon wisely took us off the Gold standard and prevented yet another depression.
What is wrong with things getting less and less expensive?:
That means any money saved has more buying power in the future.
ruveyn
Nothing is wrong with it all and it's certainly good news for consumers. But when currency deflates, people save rather than spend and the economy slows down and grinds to a halt. Inflation isn't always bad as long as it's controlled. The current threat to the American economy is hyperinflation, which makes things too expensive for anyone to afford and has a similar effect. To make an economy work, you need to give people an incentive to spend as much as they can.
Spend or invest. Putting money back into the production side of the economy promote technological growth and advancement. It means venture capitalist would be willing to find young brilliant innovators.
ruveyn
And I suppose you also like the idea of a deflationary spiral too, huh..............
Because money based on a commodity(Gold) is what triggered the great depression. The government needs to have the ability to increase the money supply and inflate currency which is why Nixon wisely took us off the Gold standard and prevented yet another depression.
What is wrong with things getting less and less expensive?:
That means any money saved has more buying power in the future.
ruveyn
Nothing is wrong with it all and it's certainly good news for consumers. But when currency deflates, people save rather than spend and the economy slows down and grinds to a halt. Inflation isn't always bad as long as it's controlled. The current threat to the American economy is hyperinflation, which makes things too expensive for anyone to afford and has a similar effect. To make an economy work, you need to give people an incentive to spend as much as they can.
Spend or invest. Putting money back into the production side of the economy promote technological growth and advancement. It means venture capitalist would be willing to find young brilliant innovators.
ruveyn
Unfortunately, many heads of business are so short sighted and greedy that they don't reinvest, but hoard their money.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Why did FDR size gold, presumably to stop "hoarding of gold", and the assumed stalling economic growth and making the depression worse. To protect the currency system of the United States. The United States banking and currency were in trouble in 1933. There was a lack of faith and credit worthiness which the possession of gold shored up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
then followed by the Gold Reserve Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Reserve_Act
It seems appealing in that a gold standard would keep the government more honest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard
The gold standard of the 19th century favored the wealthy and keep the working class poor via deflation.
On July 9, 1896 William Jennings Bryan, the guy who nearly became president, gave his "Cross of Gold” speech.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5354/
Check out bit coins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
I will wager the government will not allow a freedom like this to remain.
http://www.thedailybell.com/4361/US-Jud ... nic-Assets
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