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Again, more illogical nonsense. What has morality and values got to do with mathematics?

Because I can decide it because I can think like an Atheist!
That is the flaw in Atheist Logic.

The only flaws I can see are your abilities to present a coherent argument for debate... your maths needs work too!

The way I see it is you have no argument!

Good night and good riddance!

You aren't presenting any coherent questions for me to answer. By way of metaphor you keep asking me why there are 63.7 gallons in a mile. There is no answer to your question because you aren't posing a valid question. I'm happy to debate people provided the debate makes sense. You keep going around in circles with the same non-question.

Charming! Is this an example of Christian morality?

Achievements in Ignorance I call it.

Who said anything about calling me a Christian? Isn't that for me to decide?

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Go home. Now your being unreasonable.

Both of you are failing to confront the logic that is in front of you. Atheist permits me deciding my own values. I am simply engaging the logic. I can decide whatever I want to decide under your train of thought. This discussion has gone nowhere and both of you are acting like children. If you are not willing to have an adult discussion with me I will refuse to discuss the issues with you.

You are both failing to engage my argument by calling "Non-arguments" and things of the like. You are not willing to accept that my position is valid and still willing to fight me every step of the way.

I would consider you to take a deep breath and just walk away.


Best Regards,

Jake

One final attempt to communicate with you before I go to bed:

You seem to be under the illusion that because atheists don't have a rigid belief system imposed on us by a religious text that we are free to decide anything and everything. That is not the case. We can choose our own morality and values but what we can't choose is physical reality - what makes the world tick - physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology. The most important thing to us is reality and understanding reality. Reality is what it is. It doesn't come from a religious text. If analysis of facts in the real world reveals to us that 2 + 2 = 4 then that is the value we accept. We don't just pluck a belief out of the air and say "I'll believe this today or that tomorrow" - we accept what reality shows us is the truth. We accept facts. Verifiable facts that can be repeated and demonstrated to be correct .

Right, I'm off to bed now.

One final attempt to communicate with you before I go to bed:

You seem to be under the illusion that because atheists don't have a rigid belief system imposed on us by a religious text that we are free to decide anything and everything. That is not the case. We can choose our own morality and values but what we can't choose is physical reality - what makes the world tick - physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology. The most important thing to us is reality and understanding reality. Reality is what it is. It doesn't come from a religious text. If analysis of facts in the real world reveals to us that 2 + 2 = 4 then that is the value we accept. We don't just pluck a belief out of the air and say "I'll believe this today or that tomorrow" - we accept what reality shows us is the truth. We accept facts. Verifiable facts that can be repeated and demonstrated to be correct .

Right, I'm off to bed now.[/quote]

Thank you. That's what I've been looking for!

That's what I've been looking for. Thank you. I've been trying to find out that for the whole night! This discussion came onto a full-blown assault.

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We will confront the logic in front of us when you put some there. Atheism permits you your own morals and personal values. It does not permit you to throw aside established mathematics because you feel like it. The discussion has gone nowhere because you refuse to abandon an irrelevant argument.

You never gave us a situation with moral considerations for us to judge our stances and defend them. You never challenged any of our personal values. All you did was ramble on about something you show a tremendous lack of understanding of while refusing to acknowledge what we explained to you. You are unwilling to admit that while your position is valid, your supporting argument isn't. Despite how easy it would have been to provide me or TallyMan with a reasonable argument relevant to the topic at hand, you insisted on spouting nonsense no matter how many times you were corrected.

Furthermore, when I so much as asked you to provide the train of logic that would lead to anyone completely abandoning the established definition of numbers, you completely ignored my question. You showed yourself either unable or unwilling to come to your own arguments defence (or even to explain your argument in full) while simultaneously accusing us of refusing to defend ours, even as we asked you to provide us with a relevant argument, or at least grounded in logic.

You took a comment that I made, and proceeded to assume that logic is the same in any context. It isn't. The same logic does not apply to herding sheep as it does to roofing ones home, two topics that are about as connected to each other as morality and mathematics. Then you insisted, despite my corrections, that you were using my logic against me.

For the final time:

Atheism does not provide a moral framework. That has nothing to do with mathematics. The two topics are not relevant to each other in any way. There is no connection between them.