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18 May 2013, 3:07 pm

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So, you believe that mothers should physically and emotionally treat their children, adopted or otherwise, like complete garbage and rationalize it as "tough love"?

Dude, look into some basic logic. That is a classic false dilemma/false dichotomy.



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18 May 2013, 3:33 pm

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I don't think you consider any mother to be a good mother, from your posts. As they say, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

This is coming from someone who thinks this... utterly sociopathic thing:
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... to be a "good mother." That's like calling the door gunner from Full Metal Jacket a war hero or giving Josef Mengele a Nobel Prize.


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19 May 2013, 8:31 pm

If I were adopted, I wouldn't be grateful. Not at all. I wouldn't even consider the fakes human on any level.


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21 May 2013, 7:47 am

Eh? You''d rather be raised in an orphanage or children's home?

Why do you consider people who adopt to be subhuman? More to the point, why are you such a miserable person?


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21 May 2013, 8:49 am

I was adopted and often grew up thinking and feeling I'd rather have been left to die or gone to an orphanage where at least people wouldn't keep telling me how grateful I should be for being adopted by such "loving" parents.

There are many adoptees who didn't have such a negative experience being adopted. But I'm not one of them.



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21 May 2013, 11:03 am

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If I were adopted, I wouldn't be grateful. Not at all. I wouldn't even consider the fakes human on any level.


Parenthood should not be measured by whether or not you share half of his/her genes.



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21 May 2013, 11:07 am

In a way I'd consider adoptive parents better as they would be people that actually wanted kids rather than people that got pregnant by accident and for whatever reason didn't want to abort or put it up for adoption. I was a mistake and if I had kept my kid I would have resented them since I never wanted kids in the first place.

There are good and bad parents whether they are the natural ones or adopted ones.



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21 May 2013, 12:02 pm

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Parenthood should not be measured by whether or not you share half of his/her genes.

Then what should it be measured by? Ever thought of that?


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21 May 2013, 12:03 pm

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Then what should it be measured by? Ever thought of that?


I'd say it should be measured by how much you love and want your kid and how you treat them decently and don't abuse them.



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21 May 2013, 12:06 pm

hanyo wrote:
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Then what should it be measured by? Ever thought of that?


I'd say it should be measured by how much you love and want your kid and how you treat them decently and don't abuse them.

Suppose an adoptive parent was a sociopath or otherwise incapable of feeling empathy, and would rather use the child as a means to an end.


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21 May 2013, 12:08 pm

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Suppose an adoptive parent was a sociopath or otherwise incapable of feeling empathy, and would rather use the child as a means to an end.


Then they shouldn't have been allowed to adopt. Reputable adoption agencies screen people before they let them adopt. They also probably would have treated their own kids bad too if they had any.



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21 May 2013, 12:11 pm

hanyo wrote:
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Suppose an adoptive parent was a sociopath or otherwise incapable of feeling empathy, and would rather use the child as a means to an end.


Then they shouldn't have been allowed to adopt. Reputable adoption agencies screen people before they let them adopt.

You'd be surprised at the number of sleazoid adoption agencies, as well as the number of human waste that can weasel their way through screenings.


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21 May 2013, 1:25 pm

What do you suggest happens to an abandoned child??
I was adopted,thank goodness.I grew up knowing my birth mom since I was adopted by my Aunt and Uncle.She drank,smoked and did drugs when she was pregnant with me,she was very cruel to me in any dealings that I had with her as a child.My parents tried to encourage togetherness by sending me on vacations with her.So that meant when I was seven I got to go to a bar in Nuevo Laredo,and other places like that.Nice mom she would have made.


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21 May 2013, 1:50 pm

Are you implying that it's better to be given away to the first scumbag who asks for a child? Gimme a break.


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21 May 2013, 2:01 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:
Are you implying that it's better to be given away to the first scumbag who asks for a child? Gimme a break.


What I'm saying is you shouldn't give kids to scumbags but not all adoptive parents are scumbags. Plus adoption is the only option if the mother is a scumbag or otherwise doesn't want it and gets rid of it (unless it goes in an orphanage or she kills it).