Do you find abortion due to the child´s disability offensive

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Mother should be able to choose. If she wasn't want to give birth to an autistic baby. It is her choice. And if she does it is too.

Eugenics are a danger if imposed by society on families. So I think that our best defense against them is precisely to empower mothers' decision power.

Einstein and Tesla didn't have autism.

I think the world would have made it just fine without Warhol and Gates.

I wish Gates would just come out of the autistic closet already. We all know, man.
Then maybe some of that charity money could go to advocacy programs, eh?


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Mother should be able to choose, but i have a big problem with cultivating a situation where the mother is inclined to have an abortion because of autism.

Abortion in this case should only be encouraged by doctors if disability is going to cause suffering to the baby either in the short or longer term. Unless mother has other motives orientating around her own well being.

Agreed, and Einstein was almost certainly autistic. He was non verbal till the age of 5 and socially eccentric.

That is all relative.

I wish it were that simple. First of all, contraceptives can fail. A significant perceptage of women requesting abortion actually did use contraceptives. But there is a far larger problem that accounts for most unwanted pregnancies. It´s not irresponsible behaviour. It´s ignorance about sex and contraceptives. In many communities (notably Muslims, South Americans and Africans), there is no sex ed. Talking about such things is taboo. You honestly wouldn´t believe the level of ignorance in many parts of the world, and even in such communities living in the western world. When a woman doesn't know (and yes, you'd be surprised how many don't know that you can get pregnant from sex), it's hardly her responsibility.

Women of non-Dutch origin make up the majority that visit the Dutch abortion clinics. Dutch girls and women aren't morally superior or anything; they are better educated about sex and contraceptives.

Incidentally, and going back to the OP's post: abortion because the fetus has a disability is not one of the top reasons why women have an abortion. Lack of money is number one, followed by poor health of the mother as a second reason.

My own opinion is that it is the choice of the mother, and hers alone. It's not up to me to make a judgement when I don't know the circumstances.

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This is also a problem in Ireland.

It doesn't matter, I'd favor the free choice of abortion for ANY reason. It isn't as women are forced to abort if the child is detected with a disability, that would be a problem, but making their own decision about it, isn't.

No absolute law that dictates this as absolute truth. It's the law of whichever country you reside in that decides what rights any entity in the country should have.

What if Caylee Anthony was just still a newborn when it died?

Does a newborn have consciousness in the same way adults do? Does it have hopes and preferences?

I wish it was legal to kill newborns as they may also be a burden for mothers who wanted to abort but failed yet still don't want the baby.

Someone with NVLD is not socially useful no matter which way you look at it. It's perhaps more curable than traditional autism, but it's still trouble and cost. Since I believe in reincarnation, I think abortion would have been the best choice in my case -- and other cases like it.

Abortion based on gender has led to a dearth of ladies in parts of Asia. Gender-based abortion in USA and Europe doesn't seem to be quite as common.

Yeah, we don't want that, do we?

I love the emphasis on 'human' and how you have made the point about extreme autism.

I believe termination is justified on the grounds of the mother, her circumstances (if she is able to provide a life for this child, and any financial difficulties), her capability of being a 'mother' and any other possible criteria - it is impossible to lump every single disabled child into the one category and make a complete decision.

Babies with no sense of an enjoyable or otherwise livable life, who are born with a disability, should in my opinion be placed in care or taken care of, as above, according to the mother. But I am very open and of the understanding of the mother's loss of her child; but we must ask what is more sad in the child's circumstances - and whether keeping it alive is only for the benefit of others or truly can live within capacity of itself.

Women are not forced to abort children YET. What I find most disturbing about abortion is that it desensitizes sanctioned killing of children and cheapens life. This is the thin edge of the wedge. I truly believe that most Aspies, such as myself, can function well enough in society that they can take care of themselves, but some bureaucrat in the near future will be able to order the destruction of lives simply because there may be a possibility that said lives might be a burden on society. This is called Social Darwinism, and it is alive and well in government circles.