Torture or intertainment

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I saw the photos from the prison in Baghdad of soldiers "torturing" Iraqui. I can't help but notice the big smiles in their faces plus a lot of what they do looks like a game rather than torture. In fact that thing of putting something over your eye and playing with you (SECOND PHOTO FROM THE TOP, THE ONE AT THE LEFT) reminds me of the type of thing kids did to each other when I was 5 year old and having fun. IF I WERE A PRISONER I WOULD REALLY ENJOY IT BECUAUSE IT WILL PUT SOME LIGHT TO OTHERWISE GLOOM PRISON. Do you guys wonder the same thing that I do? Here is a link with photos:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CBS405A.html

P.S. I MAINLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THE SECOND PHOTO FROM THE TOP. THE ONE AT THE LEFT. I DON"T CARE ABOUT ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THAT PRISON. THAT ONE PHOTO IN AND OF ITSELF LOOKS LIKE INTERTAINMENT.

PLUS IF YOU LOOK THE "GUARDS" HAVE BIG SMILES IN THEIR FACES IN OTHER PHOTOS AS WELL.

Last edited by Roman on 24 Feb 2006, 7:32 pm, edited 2 times in total.

HEAR NOTHING SEE NOTHING SAY NOTHING

I saw on the net a streaming video clip from an Australian evening news magazine on TV which showed much more graphic and appalling images.

I doubt you've seen the one of the torture cell whose floor was painted with blood or the excrement-covered prisoner with the perjorative sobriequet of "s**tboy"!

It's absolutely disgusting. If I find it, i'll post the URL. I hope you'd change your mind about this.

The show it was on was SBS Deadline, similar is scope and focus as "The National" in Canada and "Nightline" and "60 Minutes" in the United States.

It was re-broadcast in the US on the Worldlink cable/satellite channel. If you're in the US and have DirecTV, you've got the channel.

Anyway, here's the info...

http://www.worldlinktv.org/programming/ ... e=date_abu

There is a streaming video to view the whole thing, warts and all.

Roman asked

I wonder if you're serious.
If you are, I guess AlQuaeda has won.
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This is tortute; pure and simple. Although I'm guessing the driving forces behind it were different than in the torture that aspies get in school.

Last edited by Aspie1 on 25 Feb 2006, 3:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The guys in the pictures who were subjecting people TO torture looked like they were entertained. Personally i'm not terribly entertained by gay porn/gay snuff porn. Although I could see many kinds of mental torture highly entertaining, I watch various television series like friends to see some good old fashioned mental cruelty.

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Last edited by PinkPanther on 03 Mar 2006, 8:30 am, edited 2 times in total.

It is also a classic college practical joke.

Are you sure we are talking about the right one? I am talking about second photo from the top of the whole page. So on the very top you see a photo of that person balancing or whatever. Then you have a long paragraph of essay. Then you have the photo I am talking about. Then you have more essay. And I am talking about the one at the left. I don't see antyhign sexual. Its something kids do to each otehr when they are 5 year old. Hide and seek type of thing. You close your eye and then someone else moves their hands around you. I don't see how this would torture anyone. And I certainily don't see anything sexual about it. I feel like BOTH sides should be entertained.

You seem to be in the minority in that opinion.

Five year olds know they won't kill each other. They don't have a very real reason to fear the toucher.

Imagine letting a urban gang that had kidnapped you touch you that way. Oh, add in that the gang knows, or thinks, your relatives are shotting at them.

Would you find it fun then?

BeeBee

This is circular argument. What you are basically saying is that in order to interprete photos as scary, people have to know ahead of time that the soldiers act like a gang. If it was the case you won't need any photos on the first place. So, to keep yourself from being circular, you better choose some other photos that will be "scary" even for "uninformed" reader.



But obviously the gang isn't mad at you or else they won't have such a huge smiles on their faces. So if someone thinks that my relatives are responsible for the murders of theirs and *YET* they play these fun games with me I would only be totally astonished on how forgiving they are.



No, but that would be scary CONTEXT as opposed to scary photo. So, as far as photo is concerned (as opposed to words), it doesn't serve its purpose.

It scares the sh/t out of me.

And so does your thought process.



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Torture isnt necessarily driven by rage (in the acute sense). You mention laughter and smiles a lot - Why do people laugh? Often its a way of dealing with pain and suffering, a release mechanism. Sometimes people have accidents and the instinct of onlookers is to laugh.

Its also quite possible to have 'fun' whilst torturing someone. On a very, very bottom end of the scale, you can witness this in any school playground.

On reflection, I dont think Romans view is sinister, but an example of how the 'honest' aspie mind can interprete things.

Not understanding the internal processes of humor and other emotions is normal among aspies... I've more often seen people misinterpreting friendly gestures as hostile, but misinterpreting hostility as something more innocent isn't unusual.

I think it's torture. I won't go so far as to say it was inexcusable, because if someone tried to kill me, I'd want to be able to beat them up for as long as I wanted whenever I wanted. While I don't think it's right, my sympathy for terrorists and terrorist sympathizers is almost nil. I would be in favor of letting the soldiers have at it if it weren't for the fact that there are a lot of innnocents mixed up in the jails and interrogation chambers because the soldiers don't have time to give each of them a trial.