Obama losing support from his key constituency

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18 Dec 2013, 5:07 pm

Aren't younger voters notorious for having the lowest voter turnout of all the age groups?


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18 Dec 2013, 9:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Who says Obama purposely lied? No matter how well planned out a thing is, the unexpected is bound to happen. As I recall, the war with Iraq was supposed to pay for itself.


The alternative to him having willfully lied is him being breathtakingly incompetent and uninformed about his "signature achievement"; which do you prefer?


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19 Dec 2013, 1:29 am

sonofghandi wrote:
And if you want to think a little further ahead, shortages lead to pay increases, which in turn lead to massive increases in qualified personnel long-term until the market is saturated.

I agree with most of your post, but I have to correct this one point. The shortage of health care practitioners isn't caused by a shortage of people wanting to get into health care; most schools have long waiting lists and a lot of competition to get into pretty much any health care field. The problem is that training HCPs is expensive and requires highly qualified teachers, most of whom would be making more money if they were in practice rather than teaching. If we want more doctors, nurses, etc, we're goign to need more, larger medical schools and better pay for people teaching medicine.



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19 Dec 2013, 7:30 am

LKL wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
And if you want to think a little further ahead, shortages lead to pay increases, which in turn lead to massive increases in qualified personnel long-term until the market is saturated.

I agree with most of your post, but I have to correct this one point. The shortage of health care practitioners isn't caused by a shortage of people wanting to get into health care; most schools have long waiting lists and a lot of competition to get into pretty much any health care field. The problem is that training HCPs is expensive and requires highly qualified teachers, most of whom would be making more money if they were in practice rather than teaching. If we want more doctors, nurses, etc, we're goign to need more, larger medical schools and better pay for people teaching medicine.


True, but now that most colleges are for-profit, an increased demand results in schools accepting more students, paying instructors more, and other colleges starting programs that they did not have before. We have already started seeing an increase in residents and fellows here coming through from local campuses.

It will be a crunch initially, but it will correct itself (and then swing the other way). When I started school for radiation therapy, new grads were getting $10-20K sign on bonuses. When I finished 3 years later, you could hardly find a job and average starting pay was around 75% of what is was when I started. It has just now started swinging back the other way, with most rad therapists being able to find work relatively quickly, and I imagine the pendulum will swing to the other extreme shortly. Radiation therapy is a 2 or 4 years degree (and now most AS programs are being replaced by BS degrees or discontinued), so the job market correction happened much more quickly than will a physician correction, but it will happen.


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19 Dec 2013, 7:38 am

Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Who says Obama purposely lied? No matter how well planned out a thing is, the unexpected is bound to happen. As I recall, the war with Iraq was supposed to pay for itself.


The alternative to him having willfully lied is him being breathtakingly incompetent and uninformed about his "signature achievement"; which do you prefer?


Since his "signature achievement" was not actually designed or written with very much involvement from him other than soliciting votes, I am not surprised that he has mispoken many times. In modern times, the president is more of a spokesperson and PR face than an actual participant in government. Presidents really are not as informed by the various agencies and departments as they used to be. This started back when Bush Sr. was in the whitehouse, and has accelerated since (with a very rapid change during the W. years, when he didn't get told squat by the people who were really running the show).

Blaming the president for the woes of this country is likely completely unfounded (and I say the same about W's time "in power" as well). The president is just a scapegoat for his party and a target for the opposite. It is a way to keep the heat off of those in congress so they can maximize their chances of re-election (which is what modern politics is all about).

I will say that Obama is fairly incompetent, but I would say the same about every president since Reagan.


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