The Assad regime that you Westerners love.

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A hyperbolic provocative title I know, but I chose it due to the general favorite sentiments of Westerns' public opinion for the Assad regime to keep him in power, claiming he's the "better guys" than the FSA.

Now enough of the emotional s**t and let's talk facts:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25822571

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/21/world ... ?hpt=hp_t1

The report link is there in the article with disturbing images.

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Mate, the west does not have a dog in this fight. We nearly bombed Assad last year but the US/EU has so far mildly taken the side of the insurgents but honestly does not think of either side as particularly superior or worthy of supporting. Somehow, I bet, both sides will still blame the west. Its the stupidity of the conspiracy theory laden politics of the Arab street, which blames us for inaction and both sides hold us responsible for taking the other's side.

No-one has any love for the Assad regime; well, most people don't. It's just that most people don't think the FSA are any better, and there's no point helping to overthrow Assad if it won't improve anything.

Not quite sure what you mean by "mildly supporting" I suspect their was a great deal of CIA destabilisation going on at the start followed by tacit support both politically, financially, and militarily for the Syrian Coalition, but in principle I agree with your sentiment. The US and Europe have finally come to their senses and realised that neither side is politically advantageous, in fact they probably see Assad as the better choice given the rise of the various jihadist groups.

The are no good guys in this conflict, it's a brutal dictatorship locking horns with brutal al-Qaeda aligned terrorists. The American people have no appetite to get involved in another war in the Middle East, it's not our place to police the world or decide the fate of foreign leaders. Our meddling has only lead trillions of dollars in debt, thousands of our own soldiers dead and many many more civilians. Assad poses no threat to the US while the same cannot be said about al-Qaeda.

The only dog the west has in this fight is black, thick, viscous and conventionally comes in barrels.

Let's see. Assad who is a monster or the TERRORISTS challenging him for power.

Nope. Can't see a lesser of the two evils here.

It's also been proven that the chemical weapons attacks came from REBEL controlled territory.

The UN wants regime change, and they are willing to lie to get public support for it.

The only tragedy here is that there are innocents caught in the middle, but there is no option that will make their lives better when it's over.

False dichotomies.
It isn't "Assad versus terrorists", nor is it "Assad versus friendly rebels", it is more like "Assad versus rebels versus terrorists versus invaders".

It would probably be best if the FSA or some other rebel group that is not associated with terrorist organisation took power, but realistically that isn't going to happen. There's no easy solution, I think just helping refugees, encouraging peace talks and allowing it to come to a natural conclusion is the best we can hope for.

Thank you. Anyone who gives even a slight support for Assad is encouraging more terrorism. Do these guys forget he himself is a terrorist?

No location, names, or even a date stamp?

While they do record death, this story that claims the pictures were taken to back claims they died at a hospital, does not stand up.

This is more likely from the Saudis, who would show your friends and family the results of their displeasure.

Another source could be the CIA Black Prisons, and these people they picked up in Afganistan, Pakistan, and elsewhere.

Now the videos of terrorists cutting peoples heads off, shooting ten people in the back of the head, and other political religious actions, are real. Those groups are funded by the Saudis, Quatar, and those are the results the paymasters want.

The Syrian pictures show the faces of those killed in combat, and their passport. They have submitted the evidence of thousands killed in battle, from 91 countries, to the UN.

In this "evidence" not one person has been identified?

This does not make sense that Syria would produce evidence of crimes, nor have a photographer document it all. If they did, there would be no need for "Caesar" because they would know exactly who took the photos.

All of this was supplied and funded by Quatar. Ask them the names of the dead.

It is evidence that someone is killing thousands.

During The Cold War, things were a lot simpler. The Russians picked one side, and they became the "Bad Guys." Our side automatically became the "Good Guys." And, the killing could proceed.

Now, it is a lot tougher, not knowing whom to kill.

A pox and a plague on both sides. The Assad family is evil to the core and their opponents are Muslim fanatics which makes them worthless as human being. If only both sides could disappear.

ruveyn

Well, back in the good old days of the Cold War, Assad would be the Communist, and the Muslim fanatics would be the capitalist/pro-democracy people. We would focus on killing Assad's people, while the Russians would concentrate on killing the Muslim fanatics.

Now, they're left killing each other all by themselves.

Individuals in the West "love" Assad because he is supposedly protecting us from Islamists.

But he was never a Mubarek. Never a USA-friendly strongman that a Glenn Beck would apologize for.

And its Russia, and Iran, who are backing him in the civil war right now. Not the "west" ( ie Nato, and the USA) which is indeed 'mildly' backing the rebels.

It would be nice if the west did indeed "have no dog in the fight". But the west fears Iran and Russia expanding influence, and so does the oil rich Arab league. So the Syrian Civil War is a potential vortex sucking other powers in, including us.

But we do have a longtime ally on our side who shares our hatred of Assad, Iran, and Russia that we can rely on!

This is an ally that we spawned ourselves by funding their start, and who has a long track record of both helping the USA, and being helped by the USA. They fought on ourside against the Russians in Afganistan, alongside us in the Bosnian Civil war to stop genocide of Muslims, and whom we helped by eliminated their arch enemy (Saddam Hussien) enabling them a first time presence in Iraq.

That longtime ally ofcourse is: Al Queda!

Who has done more for us in the Mideast than Al Queda?
And who has done more to aid and abete Al Queda than the USA?

Its just so...inspiring... how we and Al Queda just work so well together!
So-not to worry!

The West does have a dog in this fight: human rights. As long as this conflict goes on there will be human rights violations of an extreme kid, so stopping it should have a high priority. Just talking about human rights doesn't help. Talking about "a red line" and then doing nothing when it is crossed... useless.
The West should ally with the FSA and the radical al Nusra-types, and when the Assad regime is gone stab the radicals in the back and bury them next to Assad.