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22 Sep 2014, 7:39 am

Sometime ago Polish Parliament introduced new law giving more more privileges to cyclist, for now on cyclist have priority on road, the drivers must pass them trough.

But many Polish driver openly ignore new regulation, which cause many dangerous accident, and priority for cyclist are on paper only.

I read one article on internet that he saved several years to buy brand new car for 40 000 zł and he will not give way for some stupid Hipster( i not know what this term mean) with his bike for 500 zł.

Ignoring law of road lead to penalty and possibly losing license (with in Poland is very hard to get due hard testing) causing accident even more and could result in conviction, but i heard that your your legislators considering rolling reverting previous laws that give priority to cyclist on road, because drivers (but not all) are united to disobey this law with cause danger situations on road.



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22 Sep 2014, 10:07 am

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Ignoring law of road lead to penalty and possibly losing license (with in Poland is very hard to get due hard testing) causing accident even more and could result in conviction, but i heard that your your legislators considering rolling reverting previous laws that give priority to cyclist on road, because drivers (but not all) are united to disobey this law with cause danger situations on road.

Well, they aren't doing that where I live...

As a matter of fact, the all the metro-area governments have joined together to create a regional greenway. It's basically 100+miles of dedicated bike lanes, paved bike/walking trails and protected street crossings.

I think the trend here in the US is to be more pro-cycling than anti...


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22 Sep 2014, 10:18 am

Bike paths and trails are awesome. Regardless of any law I tend to give cars the right of way on the street because if there is an accident I'm the one that's going to get hurt. Drivers don't even notice cyclists a lot of the time.


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22 Sep 2014, 10:20 am

GoonSquad wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
Ignoring law of road lead to penalty and possibly losing license (with in Poland is very hard to get due hard testing) causing accident even more and could result in conviction, but i heard that your your legislators considering rolling reverting previous laws that give priority to cyclist on road, because drivers (but not all) are united to disobey this law with cause danger situations on road.

Well, they aren't doing that where I live...

As a matter of fact, the all the metro-area governments have joined together to create a regional greenway. It's basically 100+miles of dedicated bike lanes, paved bike/walking trails and protected street crossings.

I think the trend here in the US is to be more pro-cycling than anti...


I never learned to ride a bike, I'm 28 years old, although I would like to learn.

Many Poles assumes that if saving the money, or take credit for a good car (and working Poles not earn as much as American or British), so does not intend to give way to a cyclist :D



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22 Sep 2014, 10:35 am

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I never learned to ride a bike, I'm 28 years old, although I would like to learn.



Get a trike. That's what I'm cranking these days...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxFTGkxZBno[/youtube]

Lydia not included... :(


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22 Sep 2014, 11:23 am

I'm a huge fan of recumbent trikes. We should be pushing these over bicycles as a carbon-free alternative mode of transportation on the grounds of safety alone.



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22 Sep 2014, 11:36 am

There's a lot of cyclists where I live but the city is old so the lanes aren't wide enough for them. The main thing drivers have to do is be alert because it's easy to lose sight of a bike in a blind spot. And cyclists need to obey the traffic laws - I've noticed cyclists will sometimes disregard them which is so dangerous. A big problem though (because of aforementioned narrow lanes) is that a lot of cyclists bike on the sidewalk which is illegal here and I think rather reckless.



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22 Sep 2014, 1:41 pm

I think the problem of reckless cycling is fairly universal. Only the other day I watched a cyclist go part way round a roundabout, only to turn directly across the outer lane and onto the pavement between two junctions. I'll make a huge leap and assume you're in the US because you used "sidewalk". Many cities in the UK have the same problem you describe, but most of them have taken steps to designate sections of the road as bicycle lanes. I don't recall seeing too many of those whilst visiting the US. To be fair, I wasn't really looking for them either. Was I just blind to them or are cycle paths/lanes uncommon there?



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22 Sep 2014, 2:04 pm

adifferentname wrote:
I think the problem of reckless cycling is fairly universal. Only the other day I watched a cyclist go part way round a roundabout, only to turn directly across the outer lane and onto the pavement between two junctions. I'll make a huge leap and assume you're in the US because you used "sidewalk". Many cities in the UK have the same problem you describe, but most of them have taken steps to designate sections of the road as bicycle lanes. I don't recall seeing too many of those whilst visiting the US. To be fair, I wasn't really looking for them either. Was I just blind to them or are cycle paths/lanes uncommon there?


Depending on where you live, bike trails are starting to be more common. Here's a great look at my local trail system. I'd say it is probably one of the best in the country. They're just finishing the lasts 6 mile stretch near my house right now. The whole thing is expected to be finished by December.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlMK8r7y1EU[/youtube]

In addition to this backbone, there's easily another 100 miles worth of city trails in the region.


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22 Sep 2014, 2:35 pm

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I'll make a huge leap and assume you're in the US because you used "sidewalk". Many cities in the UK have the same problem you describe, but most of them have taken steps to designate sections of the road as bicycle lanes. I don't recall seeing too many of those whilst visiting the US. To be fair, I wasn't really looking for them either. Was I just blind to them or are cycle paths/lanes uncommon there?


Kingston Ontario, Canada. We have designated lanes but they're shared. So the cars and bikes end up in an awkward and dangerous merge.



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22 Sep 2014, 2:46 pm

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Bike paths and trails are awesome. Regardless of any law I tend to give cars the right of way on the street because if there is an accident I'm the one that's going to get hurt. Drivers don't even notice cyclists a lot of the time.


Yep, they're some of the coolest treats we get from the nanny-state! Ain't socialism great?


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22 Sep 2014, 3:58 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Bike paths and trails are awesome. Regardless of any law I tend to give cars the right of way on the street because if there is an accident I'm the one that's going to get hurt. Drivers don't even notice cyclists a lot of the time.


Yep, they're some of the coolest treats we get from the nanny-state! Ain't socialism great?



I think giving the cyclist right of way is stupidest think than government can do, because it's give cyclist false sense of security.

Take, for example pissed off guy comes back after a bad day at work, or will it interested that the legislature privileged cyclists, not even odragować will try to relieve the stress on cyclist who will moreover rightly that he has priority, only 15 kilogram is unlikely in confrontation with 1500 kg passenger car.

Anyway, I have seen many times how our Polish drivers deliberately drive up Emergency vehicle like ambulance and even police cars, especially unmarked police car.



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22 Sep 2014, 4:38 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
Depending on where you live, bike trails are starting to be more common. Here's a great look at my local trail system. I'd say it is probably one of the best in the country. They're just finishing the lasts 6 mile stretch near my house right now. The whole thing is expected to be finished by December.

In addition to this backbone, there's easily another 100 miles worth of city trails in the region.


androbot01 wrote:
Kingston Ontario, Canada. We have designated lanes but they're shared. So the cars and bikes end up in an awkward and dangerous merge.


Looks like my huge leap landed me miles off target. That sounds like it would be more dangerous than simply sharing a road without designated lanes.

Thank you both for the responses. That trail in the video looks brilliant.



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22 Sep 2014, 4:46 pm

In London they unveiled some bike "superhighways"

Only problem I they are interrupted by bus stops, and commercial vehicle stop, and entrances to commercial properties and obscured junctions.

So really it just given them a false sens of confidence. Several junction have been hotspots to fatalities, and there has been pressure to redesign them.

I don't think the bike vs. car is one side though. there is bad behavior from both.


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