Hoodie Ban laws overstep boundaries...
noodler wrote:
I don't read much news, just what pops up on my portal usually. I'm amazed they're considering a ban on hoodies. I can understand profiling people wearing hoodies in certain situations since they're good for hiding your identity, but banning them is ridiculous.
And get this, the guy who wrote the law, a redneck senator named Don Barrington, sites an older law as inspiration which was put on the books in in the twenties to quell the KKK who wore masks to hide their identity. Now he's trying to say the hood on a hoodie is equivalent to what criminals wear to disguise themselves to commit crimes. Sounds like more Tea Party inspired hogwash. Hoodies were not created to aide in the committing of crimes but are actually a garment which's main purpose is to provide protection from the elements and I did read something today that said no one can bother you if it's cold outside and you are dressed for it so this worry about them fining people for bundling up is unfounded but you never know, some cop could be having a bad day then decide to just slap one of us with a $500 fine just for walking around outside in the cold with a hood or hat covering our heads and a scarf covering our mouths. The cold air tends to cause my lungs to get phelgmy so I always wear a scarf around my neck and covering my mouth to warm the air I breathe in. It keeps my lungs from getting phelgmy. So I would look like I am trying to hide myself, maybe, on really cold days.
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Feyokien wrote:
That law will never pass, no way. If it does then people might start actually mobilizing in a real way against government control.
It sounds like the senator who wrote it is trying to be clever and making a statement and sure, there's crime and people might be concealing their heads and faces to commit them but it's not the same as the KKK and their masks that only existed to conceal their identity. No one else wore them. So it didn't really affect anyone but them and lots of people wear hoodies for all sorts of reasons so...
Just kind of ridiculous in my opinion.
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
And get this, the guy who wrote the law, a redneck senator named Don Barrington, sites an older law as inspiration which was put on the books in in the twenties to quell the KKK who wore masks to hide their identity. Now he's trying to say the hood on a hoodie is equivalent to what criminals wear to disguise themselves to commit crimes. Sounds like more Tea Party inspired hogwash. Hoodies were not created to aide in the committing of crimes but are actually a garment which's main purpose is to provide protection from the elements and I did read something today that said no one can bother you if it's cold outside and you are dressed for it so this worry about them fining people for bundling up is unfounded but you never know, some cop could be having a bad day then decide to just slap one of us with a $500 fine just for walking around outside in the cold with a hood or hat covering our heads and a scarf covering our mouths. The cold air tends to cause my lungs to get phelgmy so I always wear a scarf around my neck and covering my mouth to warm the air I breathe in. It keeps my lungs from getting phelgmy. So I would look like I am trying to hide myself, maybe, on really cold days.
It's glorious: when someone has something that they care about, will defend their own freedom, but when it's something they don't care about, it's free for restriction.
Here be an example to all about the illness of lacking care and holding bias.
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Dillogic wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
And get this, the guy who wrote the law, a redneck senator named Don Barrington, sites an older law as inspiration which was put on the books in in the twenties to quell the KKK who wore masks to hide their identity. Now he's trying to say the hood on a hoodie is equivalent to what criminals wear to disguise themselves to commit crimes. Sounds like more Tea Party inspired hogwash. Hoodies were not created to aide in the committing of crimes but are actually a garment which's main purpose is to provide protection from the elements and I did read something today that said no one can bother you if it's cold outside and you are dressed for it so this worry about them fining people for bundling up is unfounded but you never know, some cop could be having a bad day then decide to just slap one of us with a $500 fine just for walking around outside in the cold with a hood or hat covering our heads and a scarf covering our mouths. The cold air tends to cause my lungs to get phelgmy so I always wear a scarf around my neck and covering my mouth to warm the air I breathe in. It keeps my lungs from getting phelgmy. So I would look like I am trying to hide myself, maybe, on really cold days.
It's glorious: when someone has something that they care about, will defend their own freedom, but when it's something they don't care about, it's free for restriction.
Here be an example to all about the illness of lacking care and holding bias.
It might be that one senator had a great grandfather in the KKK who felt persecuted for wearing the white hoodie at night so now he's looking to avenge.
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
noodler wrote:
I don't read much news, just what pops up on my portal usually. I'm amazed they're considering a ban on hoodies. I can understand profiling people wearing hoodies in certain situations since they're good for hiding your identity, but banning them is ridiculous.
And get this, the guy who wrote the law, a redneck senator named Don Barrington, sites an older law as inspiration which was put on the books in in the twenties to quell the KKK who wore masks to hide their identity. Now he's trying to say the hood on a hoodie is equivalent to what criminals wear to disguise themselves to commit crimes. Sounds like more Tea Party inspired hogwash. Hoodies were not created to aide in the committing of crimes but are actually a garment which's main purpose is to provide protection from the elements and I did read something today that said no one can bother you if it's cold outside and you are dressed for it so this worry about them fining people for bundling up is unfounded but you never know, some cop could be having a bad day then decide to just slap one of us with a $500 fine just for walking around outside in the cold with a hood or hat covering our heads and a scarf covering our mouths. The cold air tends to cause my lungs to get phelgmy so I always wear a scarf around my neck and covering my mouth to warm the air I breathe in. It keeps my lungs from getting phelgmy. So I would look like I am trying to hide myself, maybe, on really cold days.
People should have the right to hide themselves if they want to. Profiling does not equal getting slapped with a fine. If some cop wants to hassle me for whatever reason (or b/c I look suspicious to them), I just have to put up with it because they are the law. However if they're going to fine me or throw me in jail because they feel like it!! ! Well, they can get away with it. There are lot's of good cops out there, but I don't trust them in general b/c their word is always better than mine. I've had several bad experiences. The stuff one of them said to me when I was hit by a drunk driver was so insane that people said I should've sued the police dept.. He said the guy had the right to drink and drive (just not over the legal limit), and that it would be violating his rights to give him a breathalizer. He told me that giving him a breathalizer would be like calling me a drug dealer b/c I had long hair. I said that's not the same. The fact that he reeks of alcohol probably has something to do with why he pulled forward from a stop sign and ran into me. At this point, the seven foot tall cop was getting really angry and told me to study up on the law before quoting it.
noodler wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
noodler wrote:
I don't read much news, just what pops up on my portal usually. I'm amazed they're considering a ban on hoodies. I can understand profiling people wearing hoodies in certain situations since they're good for hiding your identity, but banning them is ridiculous.
And get this, the guy who wrote the law, a redneck senator named Don Barrington, sites an older law as inspiration which was put on the books in in the twenties to quell the KKK who wore masks to hide their identity. Now he's trying to say the hood on a hoodie is equivalent to what criminals wear to disguise themselves to commit crimes. Sounds like more Tea Party inspired hogwash. Hoodies were not created to aide in the committing of crimes but are actually a garment which's main purpose is to provide protection from the elements and I did read something today that said no one can bother you if it's cold outside and you are dressed for it so this worry about them fining people for bundling up is unfounded but you never know, some cop could be having a bad day then decide to just slap one of us with a $500 fine just for walking around outside in the cold with a hood or hat covering our heads and a scarf covering our mouths. The cold air tends to cause my lungs to get phelgmy so I always wear a scarf around my neck and covering my mouth to warm the air I breathe in. It keeps my lungs from getting phelgmy. So I would look like I am trying to hide myself, maybe, on really cold days.
People should have the right to hide themselves if they want to. Profiling does not equal getting slapped with a fine. If some cop wants to hassle me for whatever reason (or b/c I look suspicious to them), I just have to put up with it because they are the law. However if they're going to fine me or throw me in jail because they feel like it!! ! Well, they can get away with it. There are lot's of good cops out there, but I don't trust them in general b/c their word is always better than mine. I've had several bad experiences. The stuff one of them said to me when I was hit by a drunk driver was so insane that people said I should've sued the police dept.. He said the guy had the right to drink and drive (just not over the legal limit), and that it would be violating his rights to give him a breathalizer. He told me that giving him a breathalizer would be like calling me a drug dealer b/c I had long hair. I said that's not the same. The fact that he reeks of alcohol probably has something to do with why he pulled forward from a stop sign and ran into me. At this point, the seven foot tall cop was getting really angry and told me to study up on the law before quoting it.
The cop should have just given him one if he smelled like he drank a questionable amount.
Do you really think people should be allowed to hide their face with the sole purpose of harassing someone else, like how the KKK conducted themselves?
When you think about hoodies, they don't really hide the face. They just hide the head. Ski masks do a better job of hiding the face, and a scarf or a bandanna.
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
noodler wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
noodler wrote:
I don't read much news, just what pops up on my portal usually. I'm amazed they're considering a ban on hoodies. I can understand profiling people wearing hoodies in certain situations since they're good for hiding your identity, but banning them is ridiculous.
And get this, the guy who wrote the law, a redneck senator named Don Barrington, sites an older law as inspiration which was put on the books in in the twenties to quell the KKK who wore masks to hide their identity. Now he's trying to say the hood on a hoodie is equivalent to what criminals wear to disguise themselves to commit crimes. Sounds like more Tea Party inspired hogwash. Hoodies were not created to aide in the committing of crimes but are actually a garment which's main purpose is to provide protection from the elements and I did read something today that said no one can bother you if it's cold outside and you are dressed for it so this worry about them fining people for bundling up is unfounded but you never know, some cop could be having a bad day then decide to just slap one of us with a $500 fine just for walking around outside in the cold with a hood or hat covering our heads and a scarf covering our mouths. The cold air tends to cause my lungs to get phelgmy so I always wear a scarf around my neck and covering my mouth to warm the air I breathe in. It keeps my lungs from getting phelgmy. So I would look like I am trying to hide myself, maybe, on really cold days.
People should have the right to hide themselves if they want to. Profiling does not equal getting slapped with a fine. If some cop wants to hassle me for whatever reason (or b/c I look suspicious to them), I just have to put up with it because they are the law. However if they're going to fine me or throw me in jail because they feel like it!! ! Well, they can get away with it. There are lot's of good cops out there, but I don't trust them in general b/c their word is always better than mine. I've had several bad experiences. The stuff one of them said to me when I was hit by a drunk driver was so insane that people said I should've sued the police dept.. He said the guy had the right to drink and drive (just not over the legal limit), and that it would be violating his rights to give him a breathalizer. He told me that giving him a breathalizer would be like calling me a drug dealer b/c I had long hair. I said that's not the same. The fact that he reeks of alcohol probably has something to do with why he pulled forward from a stop sign and ran into me. At this point, the seven foot tall cop was getting really angry and told me to study up on the law before quoting it.
The cop should have just given him one if he smelled like he drank a questionable amount.
Do you really think people should be allowed to hide their face with the sole purpose of harassing someone else, like how the KKK conducted themselves?
When you think about hoodies, they don't really hide the face. They just hide the head. Ski masks do a better job of hiding the face, and a scarf or a bandanna.
I meant that people should have the right to hide their faces because in some cases, such as yours (when you wear a hoodie and scarf) it is for your own health. And I don't think it would be easy to make a law for people only hide their faces when it is benefitial for their own health. People who would wrap themselves up in scarves and hoodies for the sole purpose of committing crimes would just claim it's for their own health.
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trollcatman wrote:
Is there any evidence that criminals become less criminal when they are forced to switch to different clothes?
Anyway, it's not that hard to just carry a sock or snow mask around in your pocket that you put on moments before robbing the bank.
Anyway, it's not that hard to just carry a sock or snow mask around in your pocket that you put on moments before robbing the bank.
Suit and tie should be the mandatory public clothing for all. Everyone knows people in suits are trustworthy and never commit crimes, right? (lawyers, car salesmen, televangelists, politicians, financial investors, etc.).
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noodler wrote:
Profiling does not equal getting slapped with a fine.
Just reading the rest of your post leads me to believe that you are well aware that this is not entirely accurate.
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sonofghandi wrote:
noodler wrote:
Profiling does not equal getting slapped with a fine.
Just reading the rest of your post leads me to believe that you are well aware that this is not entirely accurate.
Profiling can be as gentle as simply keeping an eye on someone without even approaching them. That's not to say that it can't lead to getting fined or anything else.
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