Can Homosexuality and the Christian Faith Exist Together?

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12 Mar 2015, 12:17 pm

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One of the clearest, most pertinent and most humble comments that has been made on the subject of homosexuality and Christianity came from the current Pope, who is a man of God in the truest sense: 'If someone is gay and sincerely seeks God, then who am I to judge?'

Although I am Orthodox and not a member of his Church, I think that this simple phrase captures the message of Christ perfectly.

Who are we to judge?


But you have to remember, the rules of this forum clearly state not to judge the person, but what they say.

You got a good point... Hyperborean.



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12 Mar 2015, 4:51 pm

Homosexuality and Christianity have always existed together, in fact, the largest Christian church, the Catholic Church, is filled with closeted, yet active homosexuals, and other byproducts of repressed, oppressed, and subjugated through illusory fear, human nature.

God 'invents' humans as one of the lustiest animals on earth for 'good reason'; survival, simple as that.

Diversity of human being, and a variety of mating preferences in doing just that per diversity of mating, when consensually desired, is what makes the human being, the multi colored and petaled flower, it is.

And even science now shows that lust is a core origin of both human creativity and productivity.

The best way to shut down a human group from attaining highest God given potential in creativity and productivity, is make those humans fear their human nature, of which lust is one of the greatest powers for human creativity and productivity.

In other words, GOD didn't make humans sexy beasts for no reason. God made human beings as evolved, overall, to get TURNED ON ALMOST ALL THE TIME.

A GREAT SOURCE OF HUMAN SUFFERING AND MISERY, WHICH TRULY IS ANTI-CHRIST FOR THE GOLDEN RULE, IS TO REPRESS OR OPPRESS OR SUBJUGATE through illusory fears the same human nature that makes humans great through thousands of years of the greatest lust in 'top pile' of animals who are turned on most of the day, when connected of course.

Humans are more like these Bonobos..



..THAN angry, violent, patriarchal chimpanzees..

WHEN NOT subjugated by psychopathic leaning folks who want all the hip grinding power to themselves....

And when human sexuality is repressed, one gets all kinds of perverted stuff, like pedophile priests.

In primitive societies, where lust is freely expressed in actual sexual intercourse from puberty, there are not even any words for homosexuality or masturbation.

So beyond the 20% twin study innate attributes that factor in on natural homosexuality, ironically enough, masturbation and homosexuality, per the environmental part of that natural equation, can be at least, in part, attributed to churches that promote abstinence until marriage.

Understanding the GOD of Nature, truly makes religion both transparent and silly, in these illusory ways of truly hurting human beings, per the fullER 'Christ-like' potential that can aRISE, from truly free children of GOD in the SEXY WAY HUMANS ARE EVOLVED, OVERALL, RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT'S TRULY SILLY, AS EVEN some of THE MOST FundamentalIST of religious ladies have lots of lipstick and bleached blonde hair at age 60 plus. They are not doing that to not be sexually attractive, and that's for sure, whether wittingly or not.

We live in a RELATIVELY insane world, where lies are part of the main course of the cultural and religious meal, as left over remnants from hard fist rule, where women are just cattle from years ago, not even worthy of spiritual priesthood or even spiritual growth, as still IS the case in Muslim countries and even pockets of so-called free countries, as well.

The truth, light, and wisdom of the real human CHRIST(S) IS TO RISE above these cultural and religious lies, into the arena of Truth and light AND WISDOM, AS simply children of GOD; fReeD from oppression, repression, and subjugation through Illusory fears of human GOD given human nature, BY psychopathic leaning clergy that wants to soak up all the power and p**SY, D*K, AND other objective viewed goods to collect, or whatever else, for their selfish psychopathic leaning collecting needs....

Same story 2000 years ago, not many still get the GOLDEN RULE MESSAGE OF JESUS, BUDDHA, MUHAMMAD, CONFUCIUS, VISHU, OR whatever other vehicle or vessel of myth houses the TRUTH, LIGHT, AND WISDOM OF THE GOLDEN RULE of humans exercising their relative free will with the Power of sharing unconditional love, AND HELL YEAH THAT INCLUDES BEING HORNY AND STAYING HORNY ALMOST ALL THE TIME, IN TRULY HEALTHY FREE HUMAN BEINGS OVER THE COURSE OF a lifetime, for the best opportunity AT creativity, productivity, and the most important GOD GIVEN ATTRIBUTE OF ALL, TO SURVIVE, BABY, WITH A SEMI-HARD thing OR A WET VJ TO GET THE JOB DONE!

The real foolery is avoiding being human.

Ugh, the real devil is in the religious details of oppression, repression, and subjugation of human nature through illusory fears; the true DEVIL THAT LEADS TO MOST HUMAN MISERY AND SUFFERING.

AND THOSE who live free, live human life the WAY GOD MAKES IT EVOLVED TO BE.

I LISTEN DIRECTLY TO GOD, NOT A 3500 YEAR OLD, AND SLIGHTLY NEWER REVISED, LITTLE restricted, abridged, and CENSORED BOOK.

AND by the way it's worth noting that SO-CALLED REAL Jesus promotes STRIPPING AND NAKEDNESS AMONG CHILDREN OF GOD TO NOT BE ASHAMED OF WHAT GOD MAKES AND EVOLVES THEM AS, per SUPER HORNY CREATURES WITH GOD inside FROM HEAD TO TOE TO VAGINA AND PENIS, TO PUT IT MEDICALLY AND bluntly true.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

Quote:
37) His disciples said to him, "When will you be visible to us,
and when shall we behold you?"
He said, "When you strip naked without being ashamed, and
take your garments and put them under your feet like little
children and tread upon them, then you will see the child of the
Living, and you will not be afraid."


God doesn't 'mind' IF humans play doctor and play human too.

At least 'Jesus' agrees, anyway, no matter what the little men who can't please their wives and are afraid the big men will turn them on and take them away. And yeah, that's part of human nature, AKA fear and weakness that do go hand in hand...

God creates a merit of loving strength and the wise do the best they can with both of these attribute to cherish and live the greatest gift of all, and that is a balanced GOD GIVEN, AND NOT HUMAN TAKEN AWAY, frigging human nature LIFE; FULLY ALIVE WITH LEGS SPREAD WIDE OPEN, OR whatever position is desired.

And yes, I for one, am monogamous, as some humans are and some humans are simply not evolved that way presently, per individual genetic pre-disposition, as the Kinsey report, overwhelming reports, along with rather high rates of homo-predispositions, whether exercised in real life or NOT.

And that's not surprising at all, when the vagina is hidden through 6 or 7 years of high TEST testosterone puberty; it's gonna GO somewhere, if not the 'right hole' or fist or WHATEVER FETISH MAY come!

Oh GOD, THERE ARE probably millions of closeted muslim men, as they do hold hands freely together, at times, where the women are locked away. If they are human.. well.. some 'things' are inevitably gonna happen, somewhere, even at the risk of prison, for those folks.

The source of violence over there, in part, at least, is clearly repression, and oppression AND subjugation through illusory fears of ALL NATURAL GOD GIVEN, human sexual freedoms.

Some really frustrated folks, THEY ARE, WHO ARE SIMPLY NOT FREE CHILDREN OF GOD, EXPRESSING ALL THE GIFTS THAT GOD GIVES HUMAN BEING FOR FREE, not waiting on illusions of 72 virgins in the after-life.

Perhaps porn, if spread far enough, will eventually be a major factor for WORLD PEACE, WITH A BIGGER piece of VIRTUAL VICARIOUS ACTION, AT LEAST..:)

AND YEAH, please learn to ignore me if you don't like long monologues about my special interest, as that my friend, is my kinda' Autism FREELY EXPRESSED, NO MATTER IF ANYONE reads it or not..:)

I like to write.

It's a special interest fully in tow and EMPLOYED AS SUCH, FREE HERE, AS LONG as Autistic expression is allowed freely, LIKE THIS, in long winded MONOLOGUE, special INTEREST WAY..:)


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12 Mar 2015, 5:03 pm

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Staremaster, read this! =)

Here's an idea. "I am the light of the world. He who follows me shall not be condemned but have everlasting life"

By the very definition of that, we are not condemned. But look at this

"He who condemns sin is already condemned. But he who condemns sin not is saved."

These are the words of Jesus. What I wanted was the first messager's way of speaking to be used by all of you people (not necessarily the exact way but in the meaning of the words), because it states this. Though I skimmed it, but I knew it was stating such a thing, yeah...

If you would please understand this message, it would make the meaning of the posts on this part of the PPR. This was meant to discuss the reasons why Homosexuality is such and area that could possibly be wiped from our souls since it is sin! ha. Trust me, both me and my family members have agreed and we basically have experienced it ourselves (but one is still in denial that God can take this away)


Or maybe they aren't in denial and simply do not share your beliefs...and have no desire to change their homosexual ways.


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12 Mar 2015, 6:13 pm

As Christianity is presented in the New Testament, any kind of adultery, that is, sex between individuals who are not husband and wife, goes against Christian doctrine or the words of the Christos as they appear in the New Testament. Christos is just the anointed one, liaison between God and man. Anyone guilty of adultery must repent or be cast out as a reprobate or apostate. That is pretty much how Christos is presented in the New Testament. You cannot fit adultery into Christianity. I have reached this conclusion after studying what is in the New Testament. Adultery can be present, but the adulterer is to be forever rebuked by Christians or cast out, in some cases.

Homosexuality is a form of adultery, according those who wrote the Bible.

I am not arguing for or against what is in the Bible, since I am gnostic I merely study what is in it but I do not see it as God.



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12 Mar 2015, 6:34 pm

Well, it depends if you follow the rules in the bible or not. What do you think Jesus would say?

This site is so dated looking, I love it. http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/b ... n_gay.html



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12 Mar 2015, 7:45 pm

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LGBT people are BORN that way, IMO.

We have to get away from the binary idea of nature vs nurture. It's a spectrum between the two. Some will be closer to the nurture end and can be diverted in either direction. Others are closer to the nature end and can no more be diverted than the ocean tide can be.


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12 Mar 2015, 8:13 pm

As far as gays and the Catholic church go, the way the church is structured pretty much creates a safe haven for men who are attracted to other men. It's not a matter of Christianity peacefully coexisting with homosexuality or even feeling at ease with it, more like the priest hood would be the kind of life which appeals to a man who likes being surrounded by and at ease with members of the same sex. Men who want to be surrounded by beautiful women would not be attracted to the life of a priest or monk in the first place and wouldn't even consider such a choice. Since a gay subculture exists in the church, you see it easier for other gays to join pretty soon there's a strong gay undercurrent that has nothing to do with the religion as it is presented in the Bible and everything to do with the kind of structure the Catholic church created.

It's similar with the military. It would appeal more to men who prefer the company of other males although it's getting more and more desegregated as women's presence is abundant nowadays. Any kind of profession that allows men to be in constant contact with other men and hardly any with women is naturally going to appeal to men who like being with other men. That's just a given.



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12 Mar 2015, 8:15 pm

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LGBT people are BORN that way, IMO.

We have to get away from the binary idea of nature vs nurture. It's a spectrum between the two. Some will be closer to the nurture end and can be diverted in either direction. Others are closer to the nature end and can no more be diverted than the ocean tide can be.


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12 Mar 2015, 9:04 pm

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As Christianity is presented in the New Testament, any kind of adultery, that is, sex between individuals who are not husband and wife, goes against Christian doctrine or the words of the Christos as they appear in the New Testament. Christos is just the anointed one, liaison between God and man. Anyone guilty of adultery must repent or be cast out as a reprobate or apostate. That is pretty much how Christos is presented in the New Testament. You cannot fit adultery into Christianity. I have reached this conclusion after studying what is in the New Testament. Adultery can be present, but the adulterer is to be forever rebuked by Christians or cast out, in some cases.

Homosexuality is a form of adultery, according those who wrote the Bible.

I am not arguing for or against what is in the Bible, since I am gnostic I merely study what is in it but I do not see it as God.


More, or less, my understanding of it.

Homosexual acts would be either premarital, or extramarital, sex (depending upon the marital status of those involved). And would also be "sodomy". The Bible specifically mentions "men laying with men" being forbidden, but lesbian acts are-well- the Bible didnt seem to get around to mentioning that from what Bible scholars here on WP say.



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12 Mar 2015, 10:11 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
As far as gays and the Catholic church go, the way the church is structured pretty much creates a safe haven for men who are attracted to other men. It's not a matter of Christianity peacefully coexisting with homosexuality or even feeling at ease with it, more like the priest hood would be the kind of life which appeals to a man who likes being surrounded by and at ease with members of the same sex. Men who want to be surrounded by beautiful women would not be attracted to the life of a priest or monk in the first place and wouldn't even consider such a choice. Since a gay subculture exists in the church, you see it easier for other gays to join pretty soon there's a strong gay undercurrent that has nothing to do with the religion as it is presented in the Bible and everything to do with the kind of structure the Catholic church created.

It's similar with the military. It would appeal more to men who prefer the company of other males although it's getting more and more desegregated as women's presence is abundant nowadays. Any kind of profession that allows men to be in constant contact with other men and hardly any with women is naturally going to appeal to men who like being with other men. That's just a given.


Truly sad though that even Catholic Priests have to live a life of lie, and guilt, just 'cause 'GOD' made 'em that way.

The Catholic church continues to change, and the same reason OF HUMAN MINDS that finally WINS out on women required to have their heads covered, and strict rules on ex-communication, will be relaxed eventually with homosexuals, too, and Pope Francis is evidence of that future reality, already.

I mean seriously, I take the eucharist every week, and never go to confession, 'cause I need to get up and stretch my legs a little bit. It's a peaceful ritual but that's all it is, a meaningful ritual, and no frigging requirement from THE God with no written rules..:)

God is no micromanager but naturally anxious humans are.

If GOD was here, GOD would probably be more like a noble tiger OR LION, than a scared, frail, little human being trapped in illusory thoughts.

In FACT, GOD ALREADY LIVES STRONGLY IN LIONS AND TIGERS, AND SADLY weaker in human beings, as is obvious as the worried looks on the facades of faces do tell the tale of that 'tail' between the legs, even in Super Walmart, in the most fundamentalist Christian towns, in the world.

Yeah, I know, I've most always lived in the New World 'Christian Jerusalem', at least according to the record books for Christian churches per square mile.

The 'real Jesus' would be like 'NEO' here, and go completely unnoticed as any person close to any real balanced mind and body person in GOD, would, as most modern Christians have no earthly idea what THAT reality IS ALL ABOUT.

IT MIGHT AS WELL BE ANOTHER DIMENSION in Star Trek, or Star Wars, with the FORCE and YODA, and all that 'stuff'..;)

And until they learn there is A NEVER ENDING practice of being with GOD aligned and NOT JUST SOME WORDS OUT OF A BOOK TO RECITE, THEY WILL NEVER BE in balance with GOD.

It's real.

It's no JOKE.

And no fairy tale BY FAR FAR FAR..
IN THE FULLEST OF HUMAN POTENTIAL
EXERCISED IN A PERFECTION OF PRACTICE
THAT NEVER EVER ENDS WITH ALWAYS A HIGHER
LEVEL TO GO IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE FORCE OF ALL
THAT
IS
NOW
IN MIND AND BODY BALANCE AKA GOD OR MOTHER NATURE TRUE
EXPRESSED IN ANIMALS LIKE HUMAN BEINGS AND BETTER OF COURSE
IN OTHER ANIMALS WHO ARE NOT AFRAID OF THE DARKNESS OR LIGHT
OF
GOD
AND
I
THINK
THIS PHOENIX
NEEDS A SLIGHTLY
LONGER TALE TO FLY!


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12 Mar 2015, 10:14 pm

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This is more of a religious discussion topic that I had just thought about off the top of my head, and I will not be bias to anyone's beliefs whatsoever since I supposedly gay at one time.

I'm very new here, but my ideas are just as good as anyone's.

I'm not here to share personal experiences, but recently I have been straying away from homosexuality the more I've become a Christian. This raises the question in my head. Is God changing the hearts of LGBT people because Paul and formerly He as Himself indoctrinated it into our heads, in the bible no less? Is it just not acceptable for God, or can we coexist with God and our human nature while our faith grows?

Or... can even give up our lust for the same sex but still be gay? As far I can tell, they're all viable yeses.

I just want you guys to hang on this, and I'll check the discussion every once and awhile.


may i ask if English is your mother tongue?



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12 Mar 2015, 10:47 pm

Yes homosexuality and christianity can coexist.

Here's a little known fact about the Bible....

The Bible has been edited and revised numerous times in history.
Through these editing and revisions numerous items have been deleted and added.
The last time they did this was in the 1940s, when homosexuality, tattoos, and others were added to the bible.
The Catholic bible was canonized around the year 400 A.D.
It was recanonized in the Council of Trent (1545 - 1563), this is when numerous decisions were made.
This is also where the formal definition of marriage was handed down by God, where he said a marriage is only permitted between one man and one woman of the Catholic faith, the man had to be Catholic and the woman had to renounce her faith and convert to Catholicism. The two witnesses had to be Catholic and it had to be ordained by a male member of the clergy (they had to perform the wedding and sign the certificate).
If you didn't meet this official definition your marriage wasn't legal at all and was considered a sin.

Each branch of christianity has it's own canon bible which differs on which books are part of the new testament.

At the First Lateran Council in 1123 banned the Catholic clergy from getting married and having sex.
It wasn't until 305 when the Catholic church declared homosexuality a sin.

Times are a changing thanks to science, it's only a matter of time before the homosexuality decree is reversed along with the clergy marriage and sex ban by the Vatican.

Though the real question is whether or not Catholics are the true christians and whether or not the rest are lead by Satan.
Apostle Peter (he was also first pope) had a vision that Satan would break up the church by posing as member of the clergy.


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12 Mar 2015, 11:54 pm

Wow! Where do I begin with that lot?

xenocity wrote:
Through these editing and revisions numerous items have been deleted and added.

That much is true.

xenocity wrote:
The last time they did this was in the 1940s, when homosexuality, tattoos, and others were added to the bible.
Ummm.. which Bible? Many Bible versions have been produced in the last hundred years, and from original sources.

xenocity wrote:
Each branch of christianity has it's own canon bible which differs on which books are part of the new testament.

For the great majority there are really only two Bibles - Protestant versions without the Apocrypha, and Catholic versions with the Apocrypha.

xenocity wrote:
Though the real question is whether or not Catholics are the true christians and whether or not the rest are lead by Satan.
Apostle Peter (he was also first pope) had a vision that Satan would break up the church by posing as member of the clergy.

I don't recall that vision. I recall Paul getting pissed at the Corinthians over division, but the only vision I recall Peter having was over letting gentiles into the faith.

As far as the "real question" (pertinent to this thread) to me it's this: Why in this enlightened age do we still need the rhetoric of sin and judgement? Homosexuals should not need religious validation.


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Truly sad though that even Catholic Priests have to live a life of lie, and guilt, just 'cause 'GOD' made 'em that way.

The Catholic church continues to change, and the same reason OF HUMAN MINDS that finally WINS out on women required to have their heads covered, and strict rules on ex-communication, will be relaxed eventually with homosexuals, too, and Pope Francis is evidence of that future reality, already.

I mean seriously, I take the eucharist every week, and never go to confession, 'cause I need to get up and stretch my legs a little bit. It's a peaceful ritual but that's all it is, a meaningful ritual, and no frigging requirement from THE God with no written rules..:)

God is no micromanager but naturally anxious humans are.

If GOD was here, GOD would probably be more like a noble tiger OR LION, than a scared, frail, little human being trapped in illusory thoughts.

In FACT, GOD ALREADY LIVES STRONGLY IN LIONS AND TIGERS, AND SADLY weaker in human beings, as is obvious as the worried looks on the facades of faces do tell the tale of that 'tail' between the legs, even in Super Walmart, in the most fundamentalist Christian towns, in the world.

Yeah, I know, I've most always lived in the New World 'Christian Jerusalem', at least according to the record books for Christian churches per square mile.

The 'real Jesus' would be like 'NEO' here, and go completely unnoticed as any person close to any real balanced mind and body person in GOD, would, as most modern Christians have no earthly idea what THAT reality IS ALL ABOUT.

IT MIGHT AS WELL BE ANOTHER DIMENSION in Star Trek, or Star Wars, with the FORCE and YODA, and all that 'stuff'..;)

And until they learn there is A NEVER ENDING practice of being with GOD aligned and NOT JUST SOME WORDS OUT OF A BOOK TO RECITE, THEY WILL NEVER BE in balance with GOD.

It's real.

It's no JOKE.

And no fairy tale BY FAR FAR FAR..
IN THE FULLEST OF HUMAN POTENTIAL
EXERCISED IN A PERFECTION OF PRACTICE
THAT NEVER EVER ENDS WITH ALWAYS A HIGHER
LEVEL TO GO IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE FORCE OF ALL
THAT
IS
NOW
IN MIND AND BODY BALANCE AKA GOD OR MOTHER NATURE TRUE
EXPRESSED IN ANIMALS LIKE HUMAN BEINGS AND BETTER OF COURSE
IN OTHER ANIMALS WHO ARE NOT AFRAID OF THE DARKNESS OR LIGHT
OF
GOD
AND
I
THINK
THIS PHOENIX
NEEDS A SLIGHTLY
LONGER TALE TO FLY!

Even though I am not gay, I do not really fit into what is presented in what is known as the Bible today which pretty much says your duty to God is to stay with one partner your entire life and have as many kids as you can and that is totally not me. I see no point in someone who doesn't want to do that being forced to just to appear as a "good Christian" so I don't fit in with the traditional values of the church any more than gays and even less since many gays want to marry and have kids. They want to do the same as the heteros, pretty much, only they want same sex unions instead of opposite sex ones. Still don't understand why they want to have much to do with the New Testament as it looks today.



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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
aghogday wrote:

Truly sad though that even Catholic Priests have to live a life of lie, and guilt, just 'cause 'GOD' made 'em that way.

The Catholic church continues to change, and the same reason OF HUMAN MINDS that finally WINS out on women required to have their heads covered, and strict rules on ex-communication, will be relaxed eventually with homosexuals, too, and Pope Francis is evidence of that future reality, already.

I mean seriously, I take the eucharist every week, and never go to confession, 'cause I need to get up and stretch my legs a little bit. It's a peaceful ritual but that's all it is, a meaningful ritual, and no frigging requirement from THE God with no written rules..:)

God is no micromanager but naturally anxious humans are.

If GOD was here, GOD would probably be more like a noble tiger OR LION, than a scared, frail, little human being trapped in illusory thoughts.

In FACT, GOD ALREADY LIVES STRONGLY IN LIONS AND TIGERS, AND SADLY weaker in human beings, as is obvious as the worried looks on the facades of faces do tell the tale of that 'tail' between the legs, even in Super Walmart, in the most fundamentalist Christian towns, in the world.

Yeah, I know, I've most always lived in the New World 'Christian Jerusalem', at least according to the record books for Christian churches per square mile.

The 'real Jesus' would be like 'NEO' here, and go completely unnoticed as any person close to any real balanced mind and body person in GOD, would, as most modern Christians have no earthly idea what THAT reality IS ALL ABOUT.

IT MIGHT AS WELL BE ANOTHER DIMENSION in Star Trek, or Star Wars, with the FORCE and YODA, and all that 'stuff'..;)

And until they learn there is A NEVER ENDING practice of being with GOD aligned and NOT JUST SOME WORDS OUT OF A BOOK TO RECITE, THEY WILL NEVER BE in balance with GOD.

It's real.

It's no JOKE.

And no fairy tale BY FAR FAR FAR..
IN THE FULLEST OF HUMAN POTENTIAL
EXERCISED IN A PERFECTION OF PRACTICE
THAT NEVER EVER ENDS WITH ALWAYS A HIGHER
LEVEL TO GO IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE FORCE OF ALL
THAT
IS
NOW
IN MIND AND BODY BALANCE AKA GOD OR MOTHER NATURE TRUE
EXPRESSED IN ANIMALS LIKE HUMAN BEINGS AND BETTER OF COURSE
IN OTHER ANIMALS WHO ARE NOT AFRAID OF THE DARKNESS OR LIGHT
OF
GOD
AND
I
THINK
THIS PHOENIX
NEEDS A SLIGHTLY
LONGER TALE TO FLY!

Even though I am not gay, I do not really fit into what is presented in what is known as the Bible today which pretty much says your duty to God is to stay with one partner your entire life and have as many kids as you can and that is totally not me. I see no point in someone who doesn't want to do that being forced to just to appear as a "good Christian" so I don't fit in with the traditional values of the church any more than gays and even less since many gays want to marry and have kids. They want to do the same as the heteros, pretty much, only they want same sex unions instead of opposite sex ones. Still don't understand why they want to have much to do with the New Testament as it looks today.


Yeah, I don't fit in with it either but my old high school buddy that was my tennis partner is the Monsignor, and he does a good job of leaving all the negative stuff from the labyrinth that is the Catholic Church out of the Sunday Service, and I like to sing, so it's a good opportunity to practice that more than anything else, really. :)

I haven't missed a Sunday since around September of 2013, as yeah, it makes me feel good to sing and connect to other folks singing. :)


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13 Mar 2015, 2:34 pm

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LGBT people are BORN that way, IMO.

We have to get away from the binary idea of nature vs nurture. It's a spectrum between the two. Some will be closer to the nurture end and can be diverted in either direction. Others are closer to the nature end and can no more be diverted than the ocean tide can be.


Yeah, I agree. I've had the same feeling, for many years, now----the feeling that sometimes it's "nurture"----but, I don't think it really matters, in the broad scheme of things. I'm thinking that it only matters to the individual, and in what way they "self-identify".




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