LIFE; What is it?
Quote:
"Consciousness, at least for me, requires a mental state rather than a simple reflex. Amoebas do not have that."
Well, there is one difference.
Amoeba's have Amoeba DNA.
And a second old Fetus
has the DNA to
CREATE A UNIQUE
potential Eventual 'Einstein',
'Beethoven', 'Bruce Lee', and the
run of the mill 'Fred'; & others.
Narrow minds see small things.
Broader minds see BigGER things.
That sums it up, rather nicely I think.
And no offense toward narrow minds;
Not reAlly different than the analogy of the Amoeba and the Fetus.
Nature AKA GOD produces Diversity. Only humans judge some
of that diversity less worthy of life on a philosophical level.
The rest of Nature lives on with
the survival of the fittest for reproduction
and general subsistence requirements for survival TO GO ON.
But of course when subsistence is the issue the weak go first;
Whether that is an infant that looks defective or a Lion cub.
And of course the Lion Cub is much more viable than an infant, as far
as Interdependent survival goes when human goes toe to CLAW with LION.
And as far as the game of survival goes; amoebas, roaches, and dragonflies
are likely to be here billions of years after much weaker humans, in the biggest
game of life AS survival goes, as they have already stood the test of evolutionary
challenge AS greaTEST test of all; yes, again, the ability to survive against all odds.
Every time a human aborts a child the rest of Nature goes YAY! Well nah; please do
NOT take that literal; But if the rest of Nature could talk in terms of the level of callous
suffering that has been inflicted on the rest of Nature, by the most heinous virus of all
that is human cultures; tHere WILL be a roar that WiLL 'DEAFEN', AS the strongest lungs,
FROM THE biggest 'LION' OF ALL; God as Metaphor of Course, for Nature.
Nature wins in the end; Evolutionary history shows that again and again;
And even Godzilla and Blue Oyster Cult. Life is NATURE; END OF STORY.
AND HUMANS OVERALL, ARE 'STUPID'; END OF THAT
STORY TOO; Any animal that lives OUT OF BALANCE
WITH NATURE is 'stupid'; big words or NOT; WITH
ability to separate 'itself' from the rest of nature
THAT overall is the beginning of existential
ANGST, and a life of general anxiety,
in the first place; Along with the
destruction of the rest of nature
with callous intention as
separated from
IT AKA GOD.
SOONER or later;
NATURE WILL HAVE
'HER' WAY with
humans too.
And Nature has a way
of distributing 'Karma'
'evenly', so things are not
looking too good for the 'SAD'
eventual end of human beings;
Unless, 'THEY' straighten up and
GET IN BALANCE WITH SOME
REAL Unconditional Love for
GOD AKA THE REST OF NATURE.
Seriously, IF MOST ALL human beings understand
that GOD is Nature and Love Nature UnconditionALLY;
THAT CAN be a REAL LIFE SAVER, IN MORE WAYS THAN
one. And THAT makes all the REAL RELIGIOUS SENSE IN
the WORLD;
LITERALLY NOW.
Yes, God is much more like Godzilla than so-called Jesus; and Godzilla
and or Nature will F U S U P, IF 'anyone' GETS IN THE WAY OF NATURE that
IS GODZILLA; ONE and
same, AS metaphor
of course.
I LOVE 'Godzilla';
UNCONDITIONALLY;
'Godzilla' makes me
wanna
ROAR,
KINDA
LIKE THIS..
WITH ALL DUE HUMOR INTENDED;
AND OH GOD, I hope that is
'ALLOWED' WITH
'broader
mind'....
INTENDED..
(;without some much
narrower mind;
suggesting I am
insane, or whatever
is 'their' flavor of the moment,
of little personal attacks:)
OR NOT.
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However as THIS article shows, science is getting closer and closer to the answer.
In response to your bait, yes life is just "mere chemical reactions" and I challenge you to prove different. However as Janissy has pointed out not all chemical reactions constitute life.
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Penrose....surrealistic fantasies?
Please tell me who these philosophers who have a grip on consciousness are.
Aristotle made a good start that was developed further in the Scholastic schools. Much of the stuff that is sold as "philosophy" these days is barely more than the rants of egomaniacs... rather like the "science" sold in the "establishment" and media.
However as THIS article shows, science is getting closer and closer to the answer.
In response to your bait, yes life is just "mere chemical reactions" and I challenge you to prove different. However as Janissy has pointed out not all chemical reactions constitute life.
god-of-dem-der-gaps
There is nothing surreal about mathematics, you are confusing abstraction with surreal. The main application is to come up with physical models, and theoretical physics relates to physical models too, even when there are hypothetical parts.
Quite frankly Oldavid you are waffling, if you ever had a semblance of a point it is long past that. I ask again what is the point of these threads? You resent the fact that other's don't agree with you? Go an find those that do and get over it.
The second thing: I asked you multiple times, is given this is your premise, when are you actually goign to provide the goods as far as showing what models in philosophy which do a better job at explaining things than science? So far nothing, just you don't like the idea that science is necessarily the best tool for the job. Great, good for you.
It is you creating a mountain out of a molehill. You don't want to elaborate, but berate science and scientists, who have done nothing but do what they aught to be doing.
WELL said
Life:Living as long as you can, make babies, then dying that sums it up.
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It becomes a living being at the point of conception. It doesn't become a person until well after birth, if ever.
Agreed. Are amoebas not living beings? I don't think they are worthy of rights or protection, but they're certainly both alive and being.
narrower mind;
suggesting I am
insane, or whatever
is 'their' flavor of the moment,
of little personal attacks:)
You prove my point well..
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You surprise me Walrus.
From what I have been taught and can find using google search Aristotle influence Renaissance
this philosopher and his school had a very considerable influence on the time following the Medieval period. I would like to know why you consider this time period, the Renaissance, to be Medieval. It was a beginning of rational thought going back to Greek philosophers. This is important because the Renaissance was at the foundation of so much that is Western civilisation to this day. You have made a remarkable claim without an appropriate source.
Perhaps cato who seems to be doing Philosophy as a specialist subject would care to join us in this conversation.
^^^
Aristotle made a mistake; and it is the actual generations come after him that respected all of his other accomplishments so well that they refused to believe this human then, is capable of making a mistake.
However; that does not either lessen his remarkable achievements, noted by many cultures, as exceeding what most people accomplish in just one life.
It's easier to make philosophical mistakes, historically speaking, without the much greater eyes of science provided out into the future.
And of course, we still see this with the mythological worship of the early Constantine Catholic Church promoted Soldier King of the Universe GOD Man Jesus; instead of just another humble leaning Yogi Naturist guy, whose insights are not much different than philosophers come before him.
However, although there is myth mixed with Truth in the New Testament, still; and believed as such, now; it still does not outweigh the significance of the same Truths held as Universal in other philosophies and religions prior to the life of the so-called historical Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle
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You surprise me Walrus.
From what I have been taught and can find using google search Aristotle influence Renaissance
this philosopher and his school had a very considerable influence on the time following the Medieval period. I would like to know why you consider this time period, the Renaissance, to be Medieval. It was a beginning of rational thought going back to Greek philosophers. This is important because the Renaissance was at the foundation of so much that is Western civilisation to this day. You have made a remarkable claim without an appropriate source.
Perhaps cato who seems to be doing Philosophy as a specialist subject would care to join us in this conversation.
Aristotle is recorded as a chap who was a kind of "founding father" in the idea that science is the "study of reality" (as distinct from the mere airing of opinions or impressions) that developed into a formal scientific method which is the kind of objectivity that has led to the kind of technological achievements we enjoy.
All along, though, there has been an inextinguishable sophistry that assumes that reality is a subjective thing; manufactured by convenience or political expediency.
Of course, some of the observations and conclusions of Aristotle and his successors are severely limited by the technology that was available to make and evaluate such observations.
(I don't like the appearance and smell of eels either, and if I was clever enough in metaphors I might describe them as "live mud" but I wouldn't be sure that Aristotle ever said so only on the testimony of a Walrus).
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