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Personally speaking:

As I mentioned to you before, I am not a philosophical groupie...
I don't go to the mountain...
The mountain comes to me...
In other words, I tend to casually meander around and if I find something insightful, I take a closer peek...

Richard Dawkins simply espoused some concepts which resonated within my philosophical structure...

I think many people are attracted to his use of reason...
His scientific approach...
His unshackled perspective...

I should mention I haven't read his book: The God delusion...
(No lies of omission from me at this point at least... )
So I am not in a position to answer your question...
What concepts in that book do you disagree with?
Which concepts do you consider unreasonable?



My best guess is that atheists are fallible humans also...
And most are neurotypical with their inherent/evolution-inspired need to dominate, not only for mating rites, but also for conceptual rites which may afford some additional sense of social status, perversely or not.

For me personally, I am not sure how relevant it is to understand the entire history of philosophical/theological musings...
These discussions in these forums are a hobby for me, not a profession...

Could you provide us with some of the characteristics you associate with "militant Atheism"?
Are you saying you consider Richard Dawkins to be one of the main offenders?
"To whom" are you referring (to)?

I don't criticise some other faiths because it is potentially dangerous to do so...
Emotionalism can have some dire consequences...
Had I been born in the time and place of the Spanish Inquisition, I would not have criticised christianity either...
Simples...

Let me make this clear...
I am not a hero...
Nor do I wish the change the world...
...since the world is full of crap and there isn't a big enough dirty nappy bin...
I'd rather "do a Galileo" than be burnt at the stake for some "inconvenient truth"...

However, the principles I espouse could quite easily apply to other aspects of social meme-ology...
But I didn't say that...

You totally do to me,specifically a Jesuit Priest. I can see why the Landover Baptist forum characters jumped to that conclusion.

You aren't, but you do sound like somebody who got a PhD in Theological Studies. There is a stereotype of Jesuits as "the priests with PhDs". So even if you aren't one, you sure do sound like one.

Interesting perspective.. only thing is yes.. Dawkins
IS shackled.. he has the personality
of a frigging lemon.. clear to sour..
to bitter too..
the JOY in life
is in feeling..
math alone
is just
numb..
my friend..
there are infinite emotions
just waiting for human experience
in delightful metaphor of Nirvana
existence.. that my friend
is a place of heaven..
that is so far far..
away from
systemizing
thinking
minds who
do not
explore the
REAL FEELING
OF LIFE thaT can
certainly come by
moving one's body
as emotions are housed
there and not in sitting
still glued on a screen..
or stuck
in a lecture
hall providing
cold hard
dead
facts..
Living is
cool..
Death
is stagnate
with never
feelings..
and to be clear
this is about Dawkins..
as you don't seem to
take life too seriously
that WILL MOST DEFINITELY
DRIVE A PERSON
TO A LIFE
OF MISERY..
SUFFERING..
PAIN..
AND AN EARLY
GRAVE.. or perhaps
a stay on a Wrong
Planet..
DAY AND
NIGHT..

I read 10 to 15 times faster than the
average human being.. and type around
130 words a minute; so what you see of
me here.. is only a brief few moments
in the
free
of
me..

I feel more than
THINK THANK
GOD
NOW..
HEAVEN IS
REAL FOR
FOLKS
WHO CAN
FEEL IT..
FOR FOLKS
WHO do NOT..
ranging from
Fundamentalist
Christians to Militant
Atheists.. ONE IN SAME..
hell is tHeir REAL
HOME wittingly
or
NOT..

No BLACK BOOKS..
NO words
required to GO
to the REAL KINGDOM
OF HEAVEN NOW..
ONLY DANCING
ART IN MOVEMENT
IN MUSIC.. NOT LYRICAL
SONG
OF NOW
ALONE..
AND SCIENCE IS
NOT EVEN paRt
of that equation
ALONE in FEELING
MY FRIEND..FEELING
IS ALLONE WITH GOD
AS IS
ALL NATURAL
NOW..

I have just one word to say to you:
I'dRatherLiveaHarshTruthThanaComfortableLie...

HAW!...

How about some Catholic music to set the mood?



Thank you for the compliment. In fact I do have the same degree in theology, but I have some marked differences in hermeneutic thinking to Jesuits (e.g. relying primarily on history, archeology, anthropology, and linguistics). This reminds me how much I loved F. Mitchell Pacwa's The Twelve Caesars, a companion to Seutonius' work of the same name.

Btw Aghogday, I haven't forgotten your last response to me, and I appreciate your references. Soon enough I'll get around to evaluating those references, and I hope you are enjoying our discussion thus far as much as myself.

Smiles..
Ignorance
'knows' no Intelligence.
Feeling is real;
Words are
words;
amazing how
some folks
do not
get that
pArt figured
out until they
arrive at their
death bed;
even at
then;
now..

Thanks. It's nice talking to someone with a soul;
whether I will agree with all you suggest or not;
That's all that counts anyway, in my opinion.
And a heart expressed as spirit is
a Big Google Plus 2 for
3 in 1..

I was under the impression theists believed in freedom of choice...
Would you deny me that?

Have you considered that I am different to you?
That I have different priorities?

Have you considered that my history may have driven/guided me to choose a different path?
Are you saying there is only one path for all people?

Consider the idiom:
"One man's meat is another man's poison..."

Consider:
"To each their own..."
"Whatever floats your boat..."
"...or bakes your cookies..."

To suggest there is but one way to live your life seems to me to be a little egocentric...if not arrogant...
I am willing to acknowledge that your philosophy is right for you...
Are you willing to give me the same courtesy?

Consider, if you will, the absurdity of a fish wanting to fly?
(Who ever heard of a flying fish? )
If it were able to fly across the oceans and lands, how long could it do so before it suffocated?
Clearly it wasn't designed to claim the sky as it's demesne...

Consider, if you will, an individual...
He/she has their particular strengths and their weaknesses...
Would it not be an absurdity to demand that every individual be a mathematician?

Personally I find it offencive to try and emotionally blackmail someone into adopting another philosophical position...
Personally I find it despicable to suggest that one would have deathbed regrets...
This nonsense smacks of megalomania...
Sir, you do yourself a disservice...

I am sure you didn't mean it to be, but your comment is extremely offencive in general...

Consider the premise behind your words:
* There is one, and only one, true way of living one's life...
* ...and you are the source of, or in touch with, that one and only perspective...

This sort of ontological buggery is at the heart of some forms of theism...

I live my life from a different point of view:
Personally I value the concept of self actualisation which respects an individual's individual/unique capabilities...
Personally I respect the idea of self determination...

Theist philosophies essentially cater to the emotional needs of an individual...imo...
If emotional considerations are your priority, then a theist/spiritual based philosophy may be more suitable for you...

On the other hand, if you enjoy the engagement of concept building/juggling or are fascinated by the raw sciences, then a mindset involving the desire for objectivity, rather than subjectivity, may be better suited...

You two...
Get a room...

I like you. In fact, I like everyone on this Internet site.

It CAN BE a place for exploration of ideas. The only Devil I know
for sure are folks who stifle THAT human freedom of expression.

My lines are only food for thought; I do not do the personal judgement
thingy; I just attempt to motivate folks to more fully express their
philosophies of life by opening both mind and heart in
potential body and mind balance.

Mission partiAlly accomplished; haha, and winks friend.

I am a degree holding ACTUAL ANTHROPOLOGIST;
AMONG MANY OTHER HATS ONLINE AND OFF;
who is here to do a little Participant Observer
Anthropology stuff; No hold barred for me
baby; I am TOTALLY FREE..

This is kinda how I look
at the whole enchilada as
described below; tHere is
NO BOX ANYONE CAN
FIT ME INTO; FRIEND..

(:..and for any non-metaphor thinking folks out tHere;
it is directly on the topic at hand of "Beliefs Based On..?"
and hopefully enough 'technical' references are
given; so it will make some kinda sense..

"KALI and MIN Kiss"







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_(god)



So many human cultural archetypes for ALL THAT IS.. so little time in a lifetime now to explore them all in depth.. but KALI or as Beyonce spells HER in 'her' latest video named 711.. KALE.. emulating HER in dance.. while she sticks her 'New Year's Tongue' out for the year of Light.. 2015.. at the end of the video.. IS DEFINITELY ONE OF my all time favorites.. the Egyptian MIN morphing into PAN and Baphomet.. and even Peter Pan is cool too...

Yeah.. it's all over modern pop-culture when Miley sticks her tongue out like KALI and Michael Jackson and others grab at their crotch with their left hand like MIN.. there's power in human archetypes.. always has been..in all the symbols for THAT.. always will be.. as long as human lives...

But the bottom line for me is.. any time human attempts to chain GOD in three letter words and such as THAT.. the TRICKSTER GOD sticks A MIN or KALI tongue out.. and MIN is equipped with 'that' stiff 'tongue' below.. AT silly little humans.. who think he or her or in between knows IT ALL...

Anyway.. when i dance like KALI.. all 230LBS of muscle me.. at the RAVE dance hall.. THAT is when I attract the most gorgeous females of them all...

i ain't afraid of KALI.. i let HER ravish my mind.. body.. heart.. and soul.. expressed as RAW FEMININE SPIRIT OF DANCE and do whatever the hell sHe wants to do with me.. everyday.. AND especially tonight in my 67th rave dance week celebratory night of LIFE!..

HeR message is LOVE FREE PASSIONATELY TOUGH AND WILD.. tHere ain't no time like the PRESENT of NOW.. live it to the max.. F**.. YES.. FUN nothingness and control.. live every moment PASSIONATELY IN TOUGH FREE LOVE.. kinda like a BIG BANG that keeps going off like a Firework Cycle of Infinity.

GOD is FREE
GOD IS LOVE
GOD IS TOUGH
GOD IS PASSION

KALI IS THE EMBODIMENT OF ALL OF THIS in the continuing FREE Dance of Moving Singing SOUND existence in all the shades of dark and light and colors of Passionate TOUGH FREE LOVE in life that DOES COME
NOW...

AND as one might remember.. Aleister Crowley's description of this Force is kinda like KALI too.. only problem is Aleister Crowley tortured small animals as a child.. so his expression of 'KALI' then is a 'GOD' without compassion.. reflected in human being.. so yeah..

IN this way.. Aleister is a little like a demon.. but that's 'his mama's fault' for not giving him all the touchy feely love in the first couple of years of life.. and then blaming him for it by calling him the beast.. when he is a naughty little boy.. who never gets a 'proper' nurturing mama..

LIKELY related to 'his' issues
with substance addiction
as NOT SO
WELL.. TOO..
NOW AS science suggests too..
overall now.. for children who do not
get that touchy feely love in the first two years...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/engccxx.htm

Love is the greaTEST FORCE of humanity.. the real glue of social cooperation that makes human both a devil and an angel.. as an apex predator and prey unto itself in the balance of nature.. teetering in a balance of dark and light here on earth..

Human.. the creator and destroyer.. certainly a reflection

of

ALL THAT IS MIN AND KALI..
WHEN 'THEY'
FROLIC
TOGETHER..

Reflecting 'them' both as a human
being.. in just one day as i will
do as i sacredly do on
every Holy
Thursday
dance day
and night.. for me..
is beyond bliss
and ecstasy..
it is
DIVINE...

HA! BUT just let me try to
explain this to a fundamentalist
Christian or a militant Atheist
who are both the lemon
sucking
equivalent
of a Dawkins
or Hawking...

They will laugh at me..
call me insane.. a fool..
a lunatic too..
but i embrace all
these labels
AS human
archetypes
withOUT
clothes
OF
KALI
AND
MIN..
FREE AS
GOD CAN BE
reflected as human being..

Most people are afraid to live..
MIN and KALI give me courage
to live as human archetypes
of reality.. as human freedom..
in TOUGH UNCONDITIONAL
PASSIONATE LOVE NOW!

To be clear I am NOT insinuating
that YOU do NOT have a soul;
I have other folks in
mind, when I
state 'that'..

I am all about the LADYS
friend, in IRREFUTABLE
EVIDENCED FACT, IN
FACT, I AM
A LADY'S MAN;
and THEY are
scattered all
about on
my blog(S)..

I BELIEVE
IN 'WOMEN'..
'MOST' ALL..

Thank you...
But on second thoughts, that kind of devalues the word "like" if you like everyone...

BTW, What are you on?
Can I have some?

Here's the thing friend. You know that stuff that the so-called Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tzu, and all the really
great poets and philosophers are talking about when they talk about a bliss on earth.

Well, it's a real deal. Problem though for Modern Christians overall, and even secular folks, Atheist
or not; is they think it is some kind of pie in the sky ideal, or a thought of after life, or just
a quick recitation fix of John 3:16 or something of that nature in literal rigid meaning.

Well, the real deal, is it is an all real natural phenomenon that our distant ancestors have no choice
to do to conserve energy for survival. It's mind and body balance friend; and truly sitting still
and meditating in achieving it in a state of nothingness is overall bullcr8p, more or less.

Our ancestors moved, moved, moved, all day long foraging for food, food, food, and counted
on each other in matriarchal leaning AKA egalitarian cooperative ways. To survive
means then, to be invisible in mind and body balance floating on terrestrial
land like a REAL NINJA; as to make a noise means capture by predators or
no capturing of prey; in stealthy ways of cat-like hunting.

There isn't much of this modern materialistic jealousy crap;
'cause the village is required in
total effort in social cooperation
for survival.

So what this means is the more Jack and Jill do the wild thing and cooperate; no matter
who or what they do it with, spells life for the village; and yes, Bonobos still
do it all like this; as they know how to REALLY STICK TOGETHER TO
GET THE JOB DONE.

OH, WELL, first comes agriculture and a sitting still way of life; AND abstract written
language, with a prehensile thumb and sticks sketching imaginary angles
in connections OF stars and spirals in nature, in sand, to make sanskrit
the written reality; and then of course collective intelligence
that helps with the agriculture thingy; and soon humans
make tools that become an extension of their human
being; ranging from shelter to weapons to
transportation enhancements to
get from point A to point B;
then we have the Industrial
Revolution where humans become more
distanced from moving feet ways of life all day
long to now the Information age where folks sit still
static with their eyes glued on a screen hours upon hours
each day stagnating in mind and body imbalance. Well you
see or not; the human emotions are regulated ALL though-out the
human body from vagal nerve in throat down to gut to oxytocin
receptors to connect to the dirt of life on the bottom of one's
feet; and back in them olden days the child is attached
to the mommy in close touch comfort for survival;
kinda like a kangaroo baby in a pouch;
now the children get carted off
to places and spend nappy
time in solitary cribs or on cots;
and oh boy; next thing ya know, ya got
canaries in the coal mine AKA as higher
functioning Autistic folks ringing the alarm
bell of human being that this cultural experiment
in constant process and change now is quite frankly;
and I am not intended this as derogatory; but literally
a source of human misery, suffering; AND overall NOT well-being;
with Chronic social and nature stress of disconnection in SEPARATION.

AND NO, THIS IS NOT JUST AN AUTISTIC THINGY; like I said, Autistic folks
diagnosed as such with reciprocal social communication difficulties are mostly
out of balance in mind and body balance, as physical intelligence and moving
is what regulates emotions, integrates senses, and greater enhances cognitive
executive functioning; which is more or less the driver of relative human free will
through much greater focus and short term working memory to orchestrate the
emotions and senses in concert to make a human being run smooth as a FERRAI
IN WAYS OF ALL THAT; AND IN GENERAL, RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION;
additionally, when one is comfortable in their own skin; there is little to no
anxiety and no demanding reason to do repetitive stuff in restricted
area interests to escape the emotion of anxiety and fear of
being almost totally lost in mind and body balance; well
friend it takes me 53 years to cure my Autism; millions
of words of research, decades of real life Rough and
Tough Trial and Error Experience; but haha!
I did it; I cured my reciprocal social
communication difficulties
and ret*d ways
of robotic
movement; and now I am
recently named as a literal ICON of
dance in my entire metro area of Pensacola, FL;
in fact, you can call almost any place in public and
just ask 'em if they know about the big guy who dances
everywhere he goes with Kool FBI looking shades; and they
will tell you; "Hey! that is the dancing guy; OH GOD he is Super Kool";
or if it is a Fundie Christian; they might tell you "he is evil and the spawn
of the the devil as no one can dance like that unless they are frigging possessed!"

Yes, friend; like I tell all the folks in real life who are simply amazed when I dance
like a ballerina martial arts dude on meth, molly, cocaine, LSD or whatever they
imagine I am on for hours; I just tell 'em; if I can bottle my BLISS and positive
energy in a pill; I will be a Trillionaire; and will be able to make
World Peace a Reality and Feed the poor ALL over the world;
well here's the Real Deal; if tHere are more people like ME in
the world; it will be no problem; 'cause when you experience
life like I do, friend; one totally understands that loving oneself
and the rest of the Universe; down to a grain of sand or an
atom or less; is all the same; just imagine what that feels like.

Yes, Imagine a place where there is no wish for heaven
as heaven is real all the time now; materialistic goods
mean nothing; the connection to other humans
and the rest of nature is all that counts;
and there you go; that's the solution
for World Peace and feeding all
the hungry from shore to shore;
just consider me A Tsunami
that is gonna help make
that happen friend;
there is no nappy
bin that is
too dirty
for
the real
'SUPERMAN';
AND OTHER 'FOLKS'
THROUGHOUT HISTORY AND NOW;
LIKE Me; Hell this is just the best place
for folks to disagree with someone in Heaven;
if I can convince the canaries in the coal mine
it is the real deal; there is hope for the rest of
the coal mine
too.

Anyway, I am doing this to help folks,
whether they want it or not;
but when one truly
writes it; what is
written most
DEFINITELY
CAN
BECOME
WHAT IS
DONE
MY
FRIEND;

IMAGINE THAT;
I FOR ONE
CAN DO THAT;
AND DO ANYTHING
I SET MY HEART, SOUL,
AND SPIRIT TOO;
and yes; jealousy
reins here now;
sharing that is
no longer allowed
here; but it's documented
all over my blogs; until
I am totally censored here for trying
to help folks; with all my literal and metaphor might;
but as in times of old; I simply dust my 'sandals'
off and go to
the next Town;
Super-Walmart;
or Dance HALL!
heHE! with an all powerful
Spirit of Unconditional
Tough and PASSIONATE
LOVE; THE MOST POWERFUL
FORCE OF HUMANITY IN
THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE
NOW!.

I truly hope you can
drink of that WELL friend;
soon; I intuit that possibility
for you; and that is why I am
making this effort here; whether you
or anyone else appreciates that; the
TRUTH AND LIGHT MAY SET ONE FREE;

I for one; am just a grain of sand; or
wave(S); with a message of sorts..

LOVE,
FRED;
with an
S..

Take note: As of this posting, 2.25 times as many people who responded to the poll base their beliefs on Science, rather than Spirituality.

Science: 18
Spirituality: 8

^^^

Hmm,
close to two-thirds of folks
on a site for Autism look
to the reasoning systemizing science/
mind instead of spiritual emotional
mind/heart for their beliefs about life.

Should that be a surprise for a syndrome
where systemizing mind rules over empathic
mind; per the science of Simon Baron Cohen, et al;

No it should not.

All Spirit is; is human empathy for
other humans and the rest of Nature
AKA GOD, particularly expressing IT;
and no;
many so-called religious
folks experience little of this, as well;
particularly, little boys in macho red
state patriarchal states and localities
where expressing Emotion AKA Spirit;
is for sissies instead of so-called Jesus.

Oh the hypocrisies of knowledge and
human heArt, as ART AND science never
cease to amaze me; but hey I understand
the whole thing; and not half of the thing;
with smiles, of course; as WELL..

Even with the aid of so-called science;
it's hard enough for even scientists to
understand human emotions AKA
human spirit; but nah; considering
that the systemizing mind itself
represses the empathic mind;
duh;

no wonder.

The Emotional Intelligence of human
beings overall is dwindling to deficit;
and even studies show this; where
college age adults have 30 percent
or so lower levels of empathy AKA
Human spirit expressed for others;
as compared to several decades ago.

Blame more focus on mechanical cognition
activities; i.e. screen 'addictions' on that;
it's like 1 plus 0 equals 2; No it does not;
Use it or lose it applies as in all stuff
fuller in greater potential of human being.

The human heArt is just as much of a metaphorical
muscle as my legs that now press half a ton 25 times;
I exercise my human heArt just as strongly; and
so-called 'normal humans' tell me I have a best
personality; quotes and links for proof available
upon request; or just check out my latest blog
post if one likes..

And I communicate precisely like this;
that's not surprising
either;
at least
not for me..

I can predict who believes
in God or who does not
believe in God here by
empirical measures
of emotion in
metaphor of
human language.
Duh; considering
emotion expressed
as empathy in spirit
is what GOD is;
Duh; no surprise
for me; but Human
Being is my all
encompassing special
interest as a REAL LIFE
ANTHROPOLOGIST;
PEDIGREED WITH DEGREE;
AS WELL..

And to be clear fundamentalist
Christians use a systemizing
mind in conservative close-
minded ways, as well;
they looks at the bible
as science rather
than multi-meaning
metaphor of poetry;
people are alike
all over;
The twilight
zone is correct;
Truly the personality
for a fundamentalist Christian
and militant Atheist is almost
identical; main difference one
uses a bible for science and the
other uses science for science;
but in either case the systemizing
mind is ruling over the human
heart or spirit; clearly why
these folks can pass
by a homeless
person and
complain about
'em not pulling their bootstraps up;
even if they have severe mental illness;
heARt is a muscle and or gift; that not all share;
even science explains this fairly well now; food for heart..



But at any rate; have a good night; it is getting kinda stuffy in here;
and it's time for me to out in the crisp warm gulf air of night
near the beach in one of the top 100 dance clubs in
the U.S.; to help lead the dance there among
100's of college-age folks;
But I'm fresh out of Togas
to wear
tonight..
in the Twilight
Zone of TRUTH
AND moonLIGHT..